Can you give an example of a non-Levi Civita connection?

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The discussion revolves around the exploration of non-Levi-Civita connections in the context of smooth manifolds. Participants seek examples of such connections and inquire about intuitive understandings of parallel transport associated with them, particularly in relation to familiar geometrical concepts like those on the sphere.

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  • Some participants express confusion over the scarcity of examples of non-Levi-Civita connections and seek intuitive explanations for their behavior.
  • One participant suggests that parallel transport using the Levi-Civita connection aligns closely with everyday intuitions of parallelism, while questioning how this intuition applies to torsion-full connections.
  • Another participant proposes that a connection on the sphere can be interpreted in terms of preserving bearings, suggesting a natural interpretation related to compass needles.
  • There are discussions about defining connections through their action on basis vector fields, with some participants seeking mathematical expressions for these definitions.
  • One participant mentions contractual reasons for not providing explicit examples from their upcoming textbook but encourages others to follow outlined steps to reproduce the examples.
  • Several participants share resources, including lecture notes, to aid in understanding non-Levi-Civita connections, though some express that these resources may not align with their current studies in Riemannian geometry.

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Participants generally agree on the need for examples and intuitive understandings of non-Levi-Civita connections, but multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the nature and interpretation of these connections.

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Limitations include the potential abstraction of shared resources and the varying levels of alignment with participants' specific interests in Riemannian geometry. There are unresolved mathematical expressions and definitions related to the connections discussed.

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Hello!
Since connections in general do not require that we have a Riemannian manifold, but only a smooth manifold, I find it kind of weird that the only examples of connections that I find in the internet are those which use the Levi-Civita connection.
So, I wanted to know of any examples of non-Levi-Civita connections.
If somebody could also give an example of an easily-visualizable parallel transport (like on S^2) using that connection it would be great.
Thanks in advance!
 
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Joker93 said:
Hello!
Since connections in general do not require that we have a Riemannian manifold, but only a smooth manifold, I find it kind of weird that the only examples of connections that I find in the internet are those which use the Levi-Civita connection.
So, I wanted to know of any examples of non-Levi-Civita connections.
If somebody could also give an example of an easily-visualizable parallel transport (like on S^2) using that connection it would be great.
Thanks in advance!

Take a look at post #14 in

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/arbitrariness-of-connection-and-arrow-on-sphere.922779/
 
lavinia said:
That's great. But, upon reading your answer, I can't help but feel helpless in my effort of trying to find an intuitive way to think about it.

It also seems to me that parallel transporting a vector using Levi-Civita connection gives the closest thing there is to what we can intuitively call parallel vector. For instance, using the Levi Civita connection to parallel transport along the 2D Euclidean plane gives vector fields that are parallel with the usual everyday sense. And parallel transporting with the same connection along geodesics of a sphere gives a vector field that I can intuitively understand as what would an observer sitting at every point of that geodesic would perceive as parallel vector.

But, in the torsion-full examples that you gave in your answer, it seems to me that this intuition goes out of the window.
I am thinking that these other connections(that are not connected via variable changes) have to do with "moving observers"(moving frame of reference).

Would you please enlighten me a bit on how can I get some intuition for these torsion-full connections?
I have read about the difference about being torsion-full and torsion-less but I can't quite understand how can these parallel vector fields can be called parallel in any sense. Again, the only suspicion I have is viewing it as a moving(and rotating while moving) frame of reference.

Thanks in advance.
 
I suggest you read through all of that thread. In particular, the connection on the sphere (minus the poles) that I discussed has a very natural interpretation (a compass needle - or anything attached to it -- would be parallel transported) the connection preserves bearings and so the geodesics corresponds to curves of constant bearing.
 
Orodruin said:
I suggest you read through all of that thread. In particular, the connection on the sphere (minus the poles) that I discussed has a very natural interpretation (a compass needle - or anything attached to it -- would be parallel transported) the connection preserves bearings and so the geodesics corresponds to curves of constant bearing.
Could you please help me define this way of parallel transporting?
 
The connection is uniquely defined by defining its action on a complete set of basis vector fields. In this case, take the orthonormal basis fields in the coordinate directions and assume that they are paralell. The connection coefficients will follow.
 
Orodruin said:
The connection is uniquely defined by defining its action on a complete set of basis vector fields. In this case, take the orthonormal basis fields in the coordinate directions and assume that they are paralell. The connection coefficients will follow.
How is this expressed mathematically though?
 
As I said in the other thread, I am not going to write it down explicitly for the reason that it would be essentially verbatim copying an example from my upcomig textbook and I want to stay clear from doing so for contractual reasons. However, if you follow the steps I outlined above you should be able to reproduce it easily.
 
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Orodruin said:
As I said in the other thread, I am not going to write it down explicitly for the reason that it would be essentially verbatim copying an example from my upcomig textbook and I want to stay clear from doing so for contractual reasons. However, if you follow the steps I outlined above you should be able to reproduce it easily.
Do you know of any other source that might contain anything related to what I am asking?
 
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Joker93 said:
Do you know of any other source that might contain anything related to what I am asking?
Here's a nice lecture note about it:
http://www.uni-math.gwdg.de/amp/Markina3.pdf
By varying the number ##1-6## you get the other chapters.
I haven't read it all, yet, so maybe it's a bit too abstract and not specified enough, but it's a good starting point.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Here's a nice lecture note about it:
http://www.uni-math.gwdg.de/amp/Markina3.pdf
By varying the number ##1-6## you get the other chapters.
I haven't read it all, yet, so maybe it's a bit too abstract and not specified enough, but it's a good starting point.
Thanks for the link, although I found that the notes have a very different presentation than that of my course(on just Riemannian geometry).
If you can think of something that is more close to Riemannian Geometry rather than bundles and stuff, please do post it here.
Thanks again
 

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