Can You Run PWM Fan Without PWM Input?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether a 4-wire PWM fan can operate using only a DC power supply without utilizing the PWM input for speed control. Participants explore the implications of connecting the fan's power, ground, and tachometer leads while questioning the necessity of the PWM signal for speed adjustment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires if a 4-wire fan can run solely on a DC power supply without using the PWM input to control speed.
  • Another participant suggests setting the PWM lead to a 100% duty cycle while varying the DC power supply voltage.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about whether the PWM lead is merely an option for speed control, proposing that the fan might still operate with just power and ground connections.
  • It is noted that the internal circuitry of fans may differ by manufacturer, with some fans potentially requiring a PWM signal to function correctly.
  • Discussion includes the idea that connecting the PWM lead to the positive terminal of the power supply could achieve 100% PWM, assuming the voltage levels are compatible.
  • A suggestion is made to use a resistor and decoupling capacitor for stability when connecting the PWM lead to the power supply.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the fan can operate without the PWM signal, as there are differing opinions on the necessity of the PWM input based on fan design.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference varying internal designs of fans and the potential need for additional components (resistors, capacitors) to ensure stable operation, indicating that specific configurations may depend on the fan model.

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Excuse my lack of knowledge on PWM and fans, but can a fan configured with 4 wires (power, ground, tach. signal, and PWM input) be run off of a DC power supply without using the PWM to control its speed? As in, not using the PWM lead and just hooking up power/ground and controlling fan speed by adjusting voltage? Or is it required that the PWM be used if you wanted to be able to adjust the fan speed.

This is the fan I was looking at:

http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/3122FT-D4W-B56-E50/P14778-ND/2647852

Don't have much of an electrical background so I was hoping someone with more knowledge could help me out.
 
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Could you set the PWM lead to 100% duty cycle, and then vary the DC power supply voltage?
 
DragonPetter said:
Could you set the PWM lead to 100% duty cycle, and then vary the DC power supply voltage?

Problem is I don't have a motor drive for PWM. All I have to work with is a DC psupply. That's what I'm wondering is if the lead wire for PWM just gives you the "option" to use that function if you want to, but otherwise you can just adjust fan speed directly with voltage if you hook up the other leads.
 
gomerpyle said:
Problem is I don't have a motor drive for PWM. All I have to work with is a DC psupply. That's what I'm wondering is if the lead wire for PWM just gives you the "option" to use that function if you want to, but otherwise you can just adjust fan speed directly with voltage if you hook up the other leads.

PWM at 100% just means its pulled up to logic high. Its PWM would be 0% if you grounded the lead.
 
gomerpyle said:
... run off of a DC power supply without using the PWM to control its speed? ...
Maybe. I remember reading a blog where the guy was experimenting with computer case fans. He found that the circuitry inside the fan varied by manufacturer. If I recall correctly, some fans will work without a PWM signal, others won't.

It might have been on Hack-a-Day or Instructables.
 
DragonPetter said:
PWM at 100% just means its pulled up to logic high. Its PWM would be 0% if you grounded the lead.

so to run the fan at 100% pwm I would just connect the pwm lead to the + terminal on the power supply?
 
gomerpyle said:
so to run the fan at 100% pwm I would just connect the pwm lead to the + terminal on the power supply?

Most likely. I didn't look at the datasheet. Assuming the power supply voltage is the same as the logic voltage, then yes. I would pull it up with a 10k-100k resistor, also maybe a .1uF decoupling capacitor from the PWM lead to ground so it has a stable voltage if the supply has transients from the motor.
 

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