Can You Solve for Points Y on Two Non-Parallel Planes?

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The problem involves finding points Y in three-dimensional Euclidean space that lie on two non-parallel planes defined by the equations \(\vec{OX} \cdot \vec{b_1}=\mu_1\) and \(\vec{OX} \cdot \vec{b_2}=\mu_2\). The challenge is to determine the conditions under which Y and Y + \(\vec{a}\) satisfy the plane equations simultaneously.

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  • Participants discuss manipulating the equations of the planes to isolate \(\vec{OY}\) but express uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches. There is mention of the geometric interpretation of the problem, with some suggesting that the points should lie on a line rather than a plane.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their interpretations and attempts at manipulation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the geometric relationships between the planes, but there is no clear consensus on how to proceed further.

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Participants note challenges with the notation and the forms of the plane equations, indicating a possible need for clarification on the geometric implications of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


Three-dimensional, euclidean space. We've got 2 non-parallel planes:
\vec{OX} \cdot \vec{b_1}=\mu_1 and \vec{OX} \cdot \vec{b_2}=\mu_2. Find all the points Y such that Y lies on the first plane and Y+\vec{a} lies on the 2nd one. What did you get?

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So we start with such equations:
\vec{OY} \cdot \vec{b_1}=\mu_1 AND \vec{OY} \cdot \vec{b_2} + \vec{a} \cdot \vec{b_2}=\mu_2.
Simple manipulation and we get:
\vec{OY} \cdot (\vec{b_1} - \vec{b_2} )= \mu_1 - \mu_2 +\vec{a} \cdot \vec{b_2} (substracted 2nd equation from the 1st one).
And this is where I get stuck, I have no idea how to have \vec{OY} on one side and the rest on the other.

Thx in advance for your help!

E: I'm not even sure that what I've got so far is correct-I believe that those points should all lie on one line, and I've got a plane again. But what I believe in geometry is not necessarily true :)
 
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first consider all the points given by Y + a, this will be a plane parallel to the first offset by the vector a.

The points you want will be the intersection of the offset plane with the 2nd plane
 
I still don't catch it. I mean, I understand and see what you wrote, but have no idea, how to proceed with the exercise. If only it was possible to get a plane equation in the form of OX=a+td1+sd2...
 
ok, i agree the equation of the plane is takes a little getting used to

To simplify notation let's call the plane X and any vector form the origin to a point on the plane x = OX, then we have
x \cdot b_1=\mu_1

now say |b_1|^2 = \beta_1^2

take consider the vector b_1' = \frac{\mu_1}{\beta_1^2} b_1

clearly that vector is on X, as
b_1' \cdot b_1 = \frac{\mu_1}{\beta_1^2} b_1 \cdot b_1 = \mu_1

now say you have another vector x on the plane, and consider x' = x-b_1', then:

x' \cdot b_1 = (x-b_1') \cdot b_1 = (x \cdot b_1)- (b_1' \cdot b_1) =0

so now you know b_1 is normal to the plane X, and b_1' is a vector on X, which should allow you to manipulate the equation of the plane
 

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