Find intersections between sphere and parallel tangent planes

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The discussion revolves around finding points on the surface of a sphere defined by the equation ##x^2+y^2+z^2=36##, where the tangent planes at those points are parallel to the plane given by ##3x+4y+5z=0##. Participants are exploring the geometric relationships between the sphere and the tangent planes.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between points on the sphere and the normal vector of the tangent plane. There is an exploration of using proportional reasoning to find specific coordinates of points on the sphere that meet the tangent condition.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations and suggestions regarding the coordinates of points on the sphere. There is acknowledgment of the need to consider multiple points on the sphere where the tangent planes are parallel, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are reminded to consider both positive and negative values for the coordinates, reflecting on the symmetry of the sphere. There is an emphasis on ensuring all relevant points are accounted for in the solution process.

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@fab13 -- please post homework problems in the appropriate section under Homework & Coursework.
I have the following exercise to solve : I have to find all the points on the surface ##x^2+y^2+z^2=36## (so a sphere of radius = 6) where tangent planes are parallel to plane ##3x+4y+5z=0##

For the moment, I can get this reasoning :

if ##M_{0}=(x_0,y_0,z_0)## is a point that staisfies the wanted property above and ##(x,y,z)## a point of its tangent plane, I have (with ##C## the center of the sphere) :

\vec{CM_{0}}\cdot \vec{MM_{0}}=0

So with the sphere of equation : ##(x-a)^2+(y-b)^2+(z-c)^2=R^2##, I can deduce :

##(x_0-a)(x-x_0)+(y_0-b)(y-y_0)+(z_0-c)(z-z_0)=0## and especially :

##(x_0-a)(x-a)+(y_0-b)(y-b)+(z_0-c)(z-c)-R^2=0##

In my case, ##R^2=36## and ##a=b=c=0##, so I have :

##x_0 x +y_0 y +z z_0 -36=0##

From this point, how can I deduce ##(x_0,y_0,z_0)## ( I recall, the tangent plane at this point has to be parallel to plane ##3x+4y+5z=0##) ?

Thanks for your help
 
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fab13 said:
Mod note: Moved from a technical forum section, so missing the homework template.
@fab13 -- please post homework problems in the appropriate section under Homework & Coursework.
I have the following exercise to solve : I have to find all the points on the surface ##x^2+y^2+z^2=36## (so a sphere of radius = 6) where tangent planes are parallel to plane ##3x+4y+5z=0##

For the moment, I can get this reasoning :

if ##M_{0}=(x_0,y_0,z_0)## is a point that staisfies the wanted property above and ##(x,y,z)## a point of its tangent plane, I have (with ##C## the center of the sphere) :

\vec{CM_{0}}\cdot \vec{MM_{0}}=0

So with the sphere of equation : ##(x-a)^2+(y-b)^2+(z-c)^2=R^2##, I can deduce :

##(x_0-a)(x-x_0)+(y_0-b)(y-y_0)+(z_0-c)(z-z_0)=0## and especially :

##(x_0-a)(x-a)+(y_0-b)(y-b)+(z_0-c)(z-c)-R^2=0##

In my case, ##R^2=36## and ##a=b=c=0##, so I have :

##x_0 x +y_0 y +z z_0 -36=0##

From this point, how can I deduce ##(x_0,y_0,z_0)## ( I recall, the tangent plane at this point has to be parallel to plane ##3x+4y+5z=0##) ?

Thanks for your help
You know that the radius of the sphere drawn to the tangent point is normal to the tangent plane.
What is the normal of the tangent plane?
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the vector ##\vec{V}=(3,4,5)## is normal to plane ##3x+4y+5z=0##

So, by a proportional rule, I mean, for example ##x_0## :

## \sqrt{50} \rightarrow 3##
##6 \rightarrow ?##

can I take ##x_0=18/\sqrt{50}=9\sqrt{2}/5##, ##y_0=24/\sqrt{50}=12\sqrt{2}/5##, ##z_0=3\sqrt{2}## ??
 
fab13 said:
the vector ##\vec{V}=(3,4,5)## is normal to plane ##3x+4y+5z=0##

So, by a proportional rule, I mean, for example ##x_0## :

## \sqrt{50} \rightarrow 3##
##6 \rightarrow ?##

can I take ##x_0=18/\sqrt{50}=9\sqrt{2}/5##, ##y_0=24/\sqrt{50}=12\sqrt{2}/5##, ##z_0=3\sqrt{2}## ??
Yes. Good work.
 
thanks for your remark
 
fab13 said:
the vector ##\vec{V}=(3,4,5)## is normal to plane ##3x+4y+5z=0##

So, by a proportional rule, I mean, for example ##x_0## :

## \sqrt{50} \rightarrow 3##
##6 \rightarrow ?##

can I take ##x_0=18/\sqrt{50}=9\sqrt{2}/5##, ##y_0=24/\sqrt{50}=12\sqrt{2}/5##, ##z_0=3\sqrt{2}## ??
OK, but don't forget the other point on the sphere where the tangent is also parallel to the given plane.
 
Ray Vickson said:
OK, but don't forget the other point on the sphere where the tangent is also parallel to the given plane.
you mean negative values, i.e the symmetric "opposite" point ?
 
fab13 said:
you mean negative values, i.e the symmetric "opposite" point ?
I'll let you answer that for yourself.
 

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