Can You Solve These Vector Questions About Wind?

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The discussion revolves around vector questions related to wind, specifically focusing on breaking down a velocity vector into its northerly and easterly components using trigonometry. Participants are exploring the application of vector diagrams and trigonometric functions in this context.

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  • #31
uniquegirl said:
But since Ve isn't given, would it be 25? or am I missing something?
Look at the triangle formed by the red arrow, the vertical blue arrow, and the dashed line across their tops. In relation to the 25°, the blue arrow is the adjacent, the dashed line is the opposite and the red arrow is the hypotenuse.
Which ratio do you want in order to find Vn from V? What is that ratio as a trig function of the 25°?
 
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  • #32
uniquegirl said:
But since Ve isn't given, would it be 25? or am I missing something?
Ve isn't given but is not equal 25. 25 is the hypotenuse. Ve is one of the vertical sides, the opposite to the angle of 25 degrees and the adjacent side is Vn .

If i give you a right triangle with the hypotenuse equal to 25 and one angle equal to 25 degrees, can you find the side adjacent to the angle of 25 degrees?
 
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  • #33
Yup!
 
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  • #34
uniquegirl said:
Yup!
ok so what will be the adjacent side if the hypotenuse is 25 and the angle is 25 degrees? And what will be the opposite side?
 
  • #35
sin(25)= 0.4226...
0.4226... = d / 25
Swap sides:d / 25= 0.4226...
Multiply both sides by 30:d = 0.4226...x 25
Calculate: d = 10.56 to 2 decimal places
So opp would be 10.56?

Is this it?
 
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  • #36
yes and what will be the adjacent?
 
  • #37
Sin A= √(c^2-b^2)
SinA= √(25^2-10^2)
Sin= 22.91
 
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  • #38
have you not worked with right-angled triangles and trigonometry before in basic math?

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hyp = 25 (total velocity)
adj = vn (velocity component in the north direction)
opp = ve (velocity component in the east direction)

opp /hyp = sin25°
adj /hyp = cos25°

Or, perhaps this is easier
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hyp = 25 (total velocity)
adj = ve (velocity component in the east direction)
opp = vn (velocity component in the north direction)

opp /hyp = sin65°
adj /hyp = cos65°
 
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  • #39
uniquegirl said:
Sin A= √(c^2-b^2)
SinA= √(25^2-10^2)
Sin= 22.91
Yes ok you can use pythagorean theorem, but you could do it as 25*cos(25)
 
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  • #40
oh ok thank you! so 22.91 is the right answer? So the answer for Ve is the same as the answer for Vn, because they are same triangles?
 
  • #41
Assuming Ve is 22.91,for question b this is what I did, feel free to correct me

Question b- A strong gust of wind from the west causes the skier to accelerate to the east at 2.0 m s-2 for 1.8 s. Calculate the new velocity in the easterly direction

vi=22.65ms-1 t= 1.8s a=2.0ms^2 vf=?

vf=vi+at
vf= 22.65+2.0x1.8
vf= 26.25
 
  • #42
uniquegirl said:
oh ok thank you! so 22.91 is the right answer? So the answer for Ve is the same as the answer for Vn, because they are same triangles?
No Ve is the opposite site , Vn is the adjacent side, the answer for Ve you calculated it as 10.24.
 
  • #43
uniquegirl said:
Assuming Ve is 22.91,for question b this is what I did, feel free to correct me

Question b- A strong gust of wind from the west causes the skier to accelerate to the east at 2.0 m s-2 for 1.8 s. Calculate the new velocity in the easterly direction

vi=22.65ms-1 t= 1.8s a=2.0ms^2 vf=?

vf=vi+at
vf= 22.65+2.0x1.8
vf= 26.25
this would have been correct if you had used as vi=25sin(25)=10.24.
 
  • #44
Is this better? vf= 10.56+2.0x1.8 vf= 14.16
 
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  • #45
C) Use your answer in (a) to calculate the size and direction of the new resultant velocity of the skier
so for direction I used tan-1=opp/hyp =10.56/25 = 0.4424 I think I did this wrong cause its such a low number but for the size, V^2= 25^2+10.56^2.
 
  • #46
uniquegirl said:
tan-1=opp/hyp

the tangent of an angle is not opp/hyp
 
  • #47
tan-1= opp/adj
= tan-1 10.56/22.91
 
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  • #48
For the size, I used v=(square root ) a^2+b^2
v= (square root)22.91^2+10.56^2
would this be right?
 
  • #49
uniquegirl said:
For the size, I used v=(square root ) a^2+b^2
v= (square root)22.91^2+10.56^2
would this be right?
The 22.91 is inaccurate. That is because in post #37 you used ve=10 instead of 10.56. (Or, better, using vn=25cos(25).)

Assuming you are trying part c, using 10.56m/s as the Easterly velocity here just gets you back to a net speed of 25m/s. You need to be using the new Easterly velocity calculated in post #44.

Please try to change your way of working to be entirely algebraic as far as possible, only plugging in numbers at the end. This has many advantages, such as fewer errors, easier detection of errors, improved precision and greater readability. In multipart questions, that even means not immediately using the numerical answer to one part in the next part, instead resuming the algebraic form. Sometimes that let's you do some cancellation.

When you do plug in numbers, always include the units.

To illustrate:
Part a:
ve=v sin(25)=25m/s sin(25)= 10.56 m/s.
vn=v cos(25)=25m/s cos(25)= 22.66 m/s.
Part b:
ve'=ve+at=ve+(2m/s2)(1.8s)= 14.16 m/s.
Part c:
v'=√(ve'2+vn2)
etc.

Now, what about the last bit, the new direction?
 
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  • #50
Cool, Thank you for all the help everyone, appreciate it:smile:
 
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