Can't get my head around reduced mass (particle physics)

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The discussion revolves around the concept of reduced mass in the context of calculating the wavelength of a transition in the helium ion 4He+. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the calculation of reduced mass and its application in a specific physics problem.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the reduced mass using a formula but struggles with the correct values and units. Some participants question the units being used and suggest verifying the mass of the helium nucleus versus a single nucleon. Others provide context by sharing the full problem statement related to the wavelength calculation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. There is an indication of helpful guidance regarding unit considerations and the need for clarity in the original poster's approach. However, no consensus has been reached on the correct method or values to use.

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The original poster mentions that the answer for the reduced mass should be approximately 3.99, but they are consistently arriving at a different value. There is also a reference to a new thread being created for a more structured question, indicating a desire for clearer communication.

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I know it's probably simple but I just don't understand reduced mass.

I am trying to work out the reduced mass of 4He+.

m = memN / me + mN

Can somebody please just explain step by step what I do. This is only a segment of a 1 mark question and I'm getting my knickers in a frustratingly twisty twist. I've looked at the other threads and websites but still no clue.

The answer needs to be 3.99... but I always end up with 0.99...
 
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Normally you would need to expand more than that on your attempted solution, but I have a suspicion.

What are the units you are quoting your answers in? Atomic mass units? In that case, did you insert the mass of one nucleon instead of that of a helium nucleus?
 
Hi Orodruin

I'll give you the full question to give a better understanding-

Calculate the wavelength of the n = 4 → 3 transition in 4He+ to an accuracy of 4 significant figures. (R∞=109 737 cm-1.) (Fine structure effects can be neglected.)

Now the equation that I'd use for this is:

[itex]\frac{1}{λ} = \frac{m}{m_e} R_∞ (\frac{1}{n_1^2} - \frac{1}{n_2^2})[/itex]

Where λ is wavelength, m is the reduced mass, and [itex]R_∞[/itex] is Rydberg constant.

So I know the answer for the wavelength is 468.7 nm (I looked), and working backwards to try make sense of reduced mass I got m = 3.99.

I tried it in SI units using the mass in kg of an electron + 2 protons + 2 neutrons but it still didn't help.
 

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