Can't understand this circuit (diode/capacitor)

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The discussion revolves around understanding a specific circuit involving diodes and a capacitor, identified by participants as a type of rectifier. Participants are tasked with sketching the output voltage waveform for a sine wave input and clarifying the operation of the circuit.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests the circuit is a full wave rectifier with a smoothing capacitor but expresses confusion about current flow and the role of the capacitor.
  • Another participant agrees with the rectifier identification and discusses the effect of a load resistor on the capacitor voltage between AC input peaks.
  • A different participant clarifies that the capacitor discharges through the resistor and questions how the waveform would appear.
  • Concerns are raised about the orientation of the diodes, with one participant noting that two diodes are incorrectly oriented, which could contribute to the confusion about the circuit's operation.
  • There is a suggestion to flip two of the diodes to correct the circuit configuration, which may help clarify its functionality.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how voltage splits between the branches containing the diodes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the identification of the circuit as a rectifier, but there is disagreement and confusion regarding the specifics of its operation and the correct orientation of the diodes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact behavior of the circuit.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions related to AC voltage behavior and the impact of diode orientation on circuit functionality. There are also unresolved questions about the voltage distribution in the circuit.

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Individuals studying electronics, particularly those interested in rectifier circuits and their operation, may find this discussion relevant.

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Homework Statement


What is the name given to this type of circuit? Sketch output voltage waveform for a sine wave input across nodes A-B.


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Well I am inclined to say it is a full wave rectifier with a smoothing capacitor. I just cannot see how the current will move through the circuit.

As v_in goes positive, D1 and D2 conduct. D3 and D4 will not conduct. I assume the current will split and so we will have current entering the capacitor through both terminals??

It seems as if once the current has gone in there is no way for it to come out? I really don't understand this diagram! (unless I dont' understand AC properly..)

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You are correct, that is exactly what it is. If there were no load resistor, then the DC voltage across the capacitor would be the max peak-to-peak AC input voltage, minus how many diode drops?

And with the load resistor, what happens to the capacitor voltage between the AC input peaks?
 
Yup it is a rectifier :) But more like a bridge rectifier.

t seems as if once the current has gone in there is no way for it to come out? I really don't understand this diagram! (unless I dont' understand AC properly..)

Gone in? You mean from the capacitor's perspective? Well that's what the resistor is there for. Do you know how it would discharge through the resistor and what the wave form will look like?

EDIT: aww honey mustard berkeman. You're quick!
 
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berkeman said:
You are correct, that is exactly what it is. If there were no load resistor, then the DC voltage across the capacitor would be the max peak-to-peak AC input voltage, minus how many diode drops?

And with the load resistor, what happens to the capacitor voltage between the AC input peaks?

Gone in? You mean from the capacitor's perspective? Well that's what the resistor is there for. Do you know how it would discharge through the resistor and what the wave form will look like?

The capacitor will discharge and then recharge on the negative input wave, so on and so forth. Essentially the output as seen from the load will be a DC voltage (almost a Dc voltage - as far as i know this will depend on how well the output is smoothed) The output DC voltage will be the input volatge minus 2(?) diode drops.

I still don't fully understand how the circuit works. The questions tells us its a sine wave, so when A goes positive, what is B at? .

If we assume its 6V peak to peak, then when A goes positive, 3V will enter into the circuit, do these 3 volts split between the branch containing D2 and the branch containing D1? Surely not?

Thanks for your help so far.
 
Compared with a bridge rectifier that actually works, this one has two of the diodes the wrong way round.

That might explain why you are having problems understanding it!

Flip D1 and D4 the other way round, then it should make more sense.
 
AlephZero said:
Compared with a bridge rectifier that actually works, this one has two of the diodes the wrong way round.

That might explain why you are having problems understanding it!

Flip D1 and D4 the other way round, then it should make more sense.

Ack! Good catch. I only looked at the other two diodes :blushing:

No wonder the OP was confused!
 
Thanks for your help all. :smile:
 

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