Capacitance 3 dielectrics sandwiched between two conductors.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the capacitance of a system consisting of three dielectrics sandwiched between two conductors. The problem involves specific dimensions for the dielectrics but lacks information about the dimensions of the conducting plates.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the capacitance using the relationship between charge, potential difference, and the properties of the dielectrics. They express uncertainty regarding the area of the conducting plates, which is not specified in the problem.
  • Some participants suggest assuming the plates have the same dimensions as the dielectrics, while others question the validity of this assumption based on a provided diagram that indicates the conductors are larger than the dielectrics.
  • There is a discussion about whether only the portion of the conductor that matches the dimensions of the dielectrics contributes to the capacitance.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem setup and questioning the assumptions regarding the dimensions of the conductors. Some guidance has been offered regarding assumptions about the area, but no consensus has been reached on the implications of the conductor's size relative to the dielectrics.

Contextual Notes

The problem is constrained by the lack of information regarding the dimensions of the conducting plates, which is critical for calculating capacitance. Participants are navigating this ambiguity while discussing the effects of the dielectrics and the conductors' dimensions.

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Find that capacitance of the system consisting of 3 dielectrics w/ length, l=1.0m, width, w= 1.0m and depth, d= 1.0 CM. ##k_1=1.5, k_2=2, k_3=2.5## *dimensions of conducting plates not given*

Equations: Capacitance, ##C= Q/{\delta}V##

Field in the dielectrics
##E={\frac{\sigma}{k{\epsilon}_0}}##

I've found the fields in each dielectric, and the potential difference in each, but I'm getting hung up there. I've gotten down to, ##|{\delta}V|=({\frac{Q}{A{\epsilon}_0}})({\frac{1}{k_1}}+{\frac{1}{k_2}}+{\frac{1}{k_3}})##

My problem is, the A refers to the area of the conducting plate, but as i pointed out, nothing is said concerning dimensions of those plates.

Is there another method that does not care about the area that I'm missing?
 
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You can assume the plates have the same dimensions as width and length of the dielectric materials.
 
That's what I thought, but the diagram provided clearly shows that conductors being larger than the dielectrics.

Is the portion that is the same dimension as the dielectrics the only portion if the conductor that has any effect?
 
That's what I thought, but the diagram provided clearly shows that conductors being larger than the dielectrics.
Can you show this diagram?
Is the portion that is the same dimension as the dielectrics the only portion if the conductor that has any effect?
No. For large k this is a good approximation (as you can neglect the air then), but your k-values are not large.
 

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