Capacitance across an audio signal

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of capacitor size on audio signals in circuits using the LM386 amplifier. Participants explore the implications of changing a 250uF capacitor in terms of audio quality, frequency response, and component availability.

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  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that increasing the capacitor size may smooth the audio signal but could also attenuate the AC content, potentially making the audio quieter.
  • There is a proposal to use polypropylene or polyester capacitors for improved audio quality, although some participants express difficulty in sourcing these types.
  • One participant notes that the capacitor serves as a DC blocking component and must be large enough to pass lower frequencies, indicating that the value should be calculated based on the lowest passband frequency and load impedance.
  • Another participant mentions that using a larger capacitor, such as 330uF or 470uF, is acceptable if a 250uF is unavailable, as long as the voltage rating is sufficient.
  • Participants discuss the -3dB cutoff frequency calculations, indicating that a larger capacitor would lower the cutoff frequency, potentially enhancing bass response.
  • Concerns are raised that using a 470uF capacitor might result in more bass than desired, while others express a preference for increased bass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of capacitor size for audio quality and frequency response, but there are differing opinions on the ideal capacitor value and its impact on sound characteristics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific calculations for cutoff frequencies based on speaker impedance, but the discussion does not resolve the assumptions or dependencies involved in these calculations.

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Looking at this datasheet:
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm386.pdf
Most circuits near the bottom have a 250uF cap in line with the output.
Would changing this cap affect the audio signal or would it just further smooth out the waveform?
 
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Packocrayons said:
Looking at this datasheet:
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm386.pdf
Most circuits near the bottom have a 250uF cap in line with the output.
Would changing this cap affect the audio signal or would it just further smooth out the waveform?

Just took a very quick look. I think if you were to make the signal smoother then you are effectively attenuating the AC content of the signal, so if you were to increase the cap size then the audio would become quieter.

If you wanted to improve the audio quality replace the cap with a polypropylene or polyester type one.
 
I don't really have access to polypropylene/ polyester caps.
I'm just wondering how accurate I have to be with the cap size.
 
Packocrayons said:
Looking at this datasheet:
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm386.pdf
Most circuits near the bottom have a 250uF cap in line with the output.
Would changing this cap affect the audio signal or would it just further smooth out the waveform?

That is a DC blocking cap, since the opamp is being run off of a single power supply voltage (instead of split power supplies symmetric about ground). It needs to be big enough to pass the lower frequencies in your audio signal.

You would calculate the value of the capacitor based on the lowest passband frequency and the impedance of the load (like the speaker).
 
Alright, I'm just having trouble finding a 250uF, I'm looking at abra electronics (already ordering from there) and the don't seem to have one in any type.
 
Packocrayons said:
Alright, I'm just having trouble finding a 250uF, I'm looking at abra electronics (already ordering from there) and the don't seem to have one in any type.

You can certainly go to the next biggest size. Use a 330uF or 470uF with a voltage rating that is at least twice the amp's power supply voltage.
 
Oh, and be sure to place it with the polarity correct -- the + side faces the amp, and the - side faces the ground-referenced load.
 
I figured that with the polarity.
I'll try to get as close as I can while staying above,
Thanks.
 
If you look at the -3db cut off assuming 8Ω speaker

f=\frac 1 { 2πRC}\;=\; 80Hz

If you need to get more bass, you should use bigger cap. A 470uF will bring the cut off freq down to about 40Hz.
 
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Sounds good, I'm going to be looking for a more bassy (bassish?) sound, 470 will be perfect.
 
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yungman said:
If you look at the -3db cut off assuming 8Ω speaker

f=\frac 1 { 2πRC}\;=\; 80Hz

If you need to get more bass, you should use bigger cap. A 470uF will bring the cut off freq down to about 40Hz.
They probably chose 250uF to get the cut-off above 60Hz in order to minimize the "60(or 50)hz hum" picked up from stray a.c. power lines. The 330uF cap would put the -3db cut off right at 60Hz.

With the 470, the OP may get a little more "bassy (bassish?)" than he wants. :biggrin:
 
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Bass is good, if your speaker is still intact (and not burnt out), there isn't enough. :D
 

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