How to Determine Fringing Capacitance in a Cylindrical Rod-Ground Plane Setup?

AI Thread Summary
The discussion focuses on calculating the total capacitance between a cylindrical rod and an infinite ground plane, specifically addressing the fringing capacitance from the rod's sidewalls. The user has performed numerical simulations using Ansoft Maxwell, which indicate significant fringing field contributions that need to be accounted for. They seek analytical or semi-analytical formulas for estimating this fringing capacitance, as their professor prefers theoretical equations over simulation results for presentation purposes. The application involves designing a combline/evanescent mode waveguide filter, and the user is looking for a reliable method to calculate the gap between the rod and the ground plane. Overall, the conversation highlights the challenge of balancing theoretical calculations with practical simulation results in electromagnetic design.
z3phyr
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
Hi there
I've encounted a problem in which I'm required to calculate the total capacitance between the end of a cylindrial rod and an infinite ground plane.

I've attached a schematic drawing here. The gap between the rod if far smaller than the diameter.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/igUbKtbtX7AiyLX5tsQFQg?feat=directlink

The part I can't figure out is the fringing capacitance from the sidewalls to the ground plane. I wonder if anybody has seem this problem before or know of any analytical/semi-analytical formula for estimating the fringing capacitance? I've done some numerical simulation with Ansoft Maxwell and I can definitely see a fringing field contribution that can not be neglected.

Greatly appreciated!
 

Attachments

  • post_capacitance.jpg
    post_capacitance.jpg
    9.7 KB · Views: 640
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
z3phyr said:
Hi there
I've encounted a problem in which I'm required to calculate the total capacitance between the end of a cylindrial rod and an infinite ground plane.

I've attached a schematic drawing here. The gap between the rod if far smaller than the diameter.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/igUbKtbtX7AiyLX5tsQFQg?feat=directlink

The part I can't figure out is the fringing capacitance from the sidewalls to the ground plane. I wonder if anybody has seem this problem before or know of any analytical/semi-analytical formula for estimating the fringing capacitance? I've done some numerical simulation with Ansoft Maxwell and I can definitely see a fringing field contribution that can not be neglected.

Greatly appreciated!

Welcome to the PF. It would seem that simulation would be your best bet. What is the application? What accuracy do you need?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Hi Berkeman
Thanks for the reply. This is for the design of a combline/evanescent mode waveguide filter. Basically I'm trying to calculate the gap between the cylindrical post and the ground plane. It would be nice to have some formula for easy calculation and I'm almost certain that somebody, at sometime, must have tackled this problem. I just can't seem to find it in the literature...

berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF. It would seem that simulation would be your best bet. What is the application? What accuracy do you need?
 
Cool problem. Is there a reason that the simulation route won't work for you?
 
No, simulation will work fine. It just the professor thinks it cool to use equations instead of simulations when presenting the work...

berkeman said:
Cool problem. Is there a reason that the simulation route won't work for you?
 
This is from Griffiths' Electrodynamics, 3rd edition, page 352. I am trying to calculate the divergence of the Maxwell stress tensor. The tensor is given as ##T_{ij} =\epsilon_0 (E_iE_j-\frac 1 2 \delta_{ij} E^2)+\frac 1 {\mu_0}(B_iB_j-\frac 1 2 \delta_{ij} B^2)##. To make things easier, I just want to focus on the part with the electrical field, i.e. I want to find the divergence of ##E_{ij}=E_iE_j-\frac 1 2 \delta_{ij}E^2##. In matrix form, this tensor should look like this...
Thread 'Applying the Gauss (1835) formula for force between 2 parallel DC currents'
Please can anyone either:- (1) point me to a derivation of the perpendicular force (Fy) between two very long parallel wires carrying steady currents utilising the formula of Gauss for the force F along the line r between 2 charges? Or alternatively (2) point out where I have gone wrong in my method? I am having problems with calculating the direction and magnitude of the force as expected from modern (Biot-Savart-Maxwell-Lorentz) formula. Here is my method and results so far:- This...
Back
Top