Car passing a truck — calculating the relative motions

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the relative motion of a car and a truck, focusing on the car's acceleration and its position relative to the truck over time. Participants are exploring concepts related to kinematics, including acceleration, distance, and relative velocity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the car's acceleration from an initial speed, the time taken to reach a speed limit, and the distance covered during this acceleration. Questions arise regarding the average speed and how to calculate the relative positions of the car and truck at various points in time.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing calculations and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of equations and the importance of precision in calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of how to determine the time it takes for the car to catch up to the truck.

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Participants are working with assumptions about initial positions and speeds, and there is a mention of the need for clarity in defining variables and equations. The discussion includes a mix of intuitive reasoning and mathematical approaches to solve the problem.

  • #31
rssvn said:
What equation should i use if i don't use the trial and error, isn't the equation you gave Xcar = Xtruck basically using trial and error?
No, because you have:

The position of the car is: $$x_{car} = 0 + v_{car}t = (25m/s)t$$ and the position of the truck $$x_{truck} = 37.5m + v_{truck}t = 37.5m + (18m/s) t$$ where ##t## is the time from the end of the car's acceleration phase.

The equation you need to solve is $$x_{car} = x_{truck}$$
And, that's not a hard equation! You need to solve for ##t##, of course.
 
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  • #32
PeroK said:
No, because you have:

The position of the car is: $$x_{car} = 0 + v_{car}t = (25m/s)t$$ and the position of the truck $$x_{truck} = 37.5m + v_{truck}t = 37.5m + (18m/s) t$$ where ##t## is the time from the end of the car's acceleration phase.

The equation you need to solve is $$x_{car} = x_{truck}$$
And, that's not a hard equation! You need to solve for ##t##, of course.

I'm sorry if I am not understanding, but how can i figure out the t if not by trial and error
 
  • #33
rssvn said:
I'm sorry if I am not understanding, but how can i figure out the t if not by trial and error
By using ... mathematics!
 
  • #34
rssvn said:
I'm sorry if I am not understanding, but how can i figure out the t if not by trial and error
This is standard algebraic manipulation.
Look at @PeroK's equations:
PeroK said:
$$x_{car} = (25m/s)t$$ $$x_{truck} = 37.5m + (18m/s) t$$ $$x_{car} = x_{truck}$$
You can use the third equation to collapse the first two into a single equation involving neither xcar nor xtruck. Can you see how to do that?
This leaves you with an equation in which the only unknown is t.
If you gather all the terms involving t onto one side of the equation and all the terms not involving t onto the other side you can find the value of t.
 
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  • #35
haruspex said:
This is standard algebraic manipulation.
Look at @PeroK's equations:

You can use the third equation to collapse the first two into a single equation involving neither xcar nor xtruck. Can you see how to do that?
This leaves you with an equation in which the only unknown is t.
If you gather all the terms involving t onto one side of the equation and all the terms not involving t onto the other side you can find the value of t.

Sorry for taking so long to answer, i understand now, (25m/s)t=37.5m+(18m/s)t -> 25t-18t=37.5m -> 7t=37.5m -> 5.36. Thank you @PeroK and @haruspex for bearing with me, i do appreciate it :)
 
  • #36
rssvn said:
Sorry for taking so long to answer, i understand now, (25m/s)t=37.5m+(18m/s)t -> 25t-18t=37.5m -> 7t=37.5m -> 5.36. Thank you @PeroK and @haruspex for bearing with me, i do appreciate it :)
Perhaps it's worth just summarising this.

There was a quick way to solve the problem, which is to take the difference in speeds of the car and the truck and the distance between them. In this case, the distance separating them was ##37.5m## and the car was traveling ##7m/s## faster than the truck. The time at which the car catches the truck is simply: $$t = \frac{37.5m}{7 m/s} = 5.36s$$
The other approach is to draw a graph of position against time of both vehicles. The point of intersection on the graph is the time at which the car catches the truck. This is related to the equations of motion as: $$x_{car} = (25m/s) t$$ and $$x_{truck} = 37.5m + (18m/s)t$$ represent straight lines on the graph and the point of intersection is the point where $$(25m/s) t = 37.5m + (18m/s)t$$ In any case, the important thing is to understand how these equations and graphs relate to the real motion and position of the vehicles.
 
  • #37
Don't we need to know the length of the truck ? Since 50m behind truck means 50m behind rear of truck. Still have further displacement (if not negligible) of truck length. See other "Car passing Truck" thread below.
 
  • #38
neilparker62 said:
50m behind truck means 50m behind rear of truck.
Not necessarily. If you are 50m behind in a race, that would be measured from front of vehicle to front of vehicle.
 
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  • #39
Relative velocity problem. Car traveling with initial velocity of 2m/s 50m behind "stationary" truck. Accelerates at 1.8 m/s/s till reaching 7m/s and maintains this until level with the truck. Area under graph up to t1 is 12.5m and 37.5m between t1 and t2. Simply add 18t for the actual displacement of car at t1 and t2 respectively.

Relative Velocity vs Time graph:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/rgbooatiss

Relative Displacement vs Time graph:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/ophyml0qrd
 

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  • #40
haruspex said:
Not necessarily. If you are 50m behind in a race, that would be measured from front of vehicle to front of vehicle.
True but I think there is a problem with the ambiguity. Initially you think something is not quite right but you can't exactly place it!
 

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