Carnot Cycle and Coefficient of Performance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Carnot cycle and the calculation of the coefficient of performance (COP) in the context of thermodynamics. Participants explore the relationships between heat absorption, heat rejection, and work input, as well as the implications of the Carnot cycle on these calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated the rate of heat transfer (Q_dot) using the specific heat of water and expressed uncertainty about calculating the COP without knowing Q_H or work input.
  • Another participant suggested that the maximum COP occurs when the change in entropy of the reservoirs is zero and inquired about the rate of heat rejection to the high-temperature reservoir.
  • A participant proposed a formula for COP based on the relationship between heat absorbed (Q_L) and work net (W_net), suggesting that for a Carnot cycle, Q_L and Q_H can be replaced with the respective temperatures (T_L and T_H).
  • A later reply confirmed the correctness of the COP formula and provided an alternative approach using the change in entropy to derive Q_H from the heat received by the cold reservoir and the heat rejected to the hot reservoir.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying approaches to calculating the COP, with some uncertainty about the relationships between the variables involved. There is no consensus on a single method, as different participants propose different approaches and interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on specific assumptions about the Carnot cycle and the properties of the reservoirs, which may not be fully articulated. The discussion includes unresolved steps in deriving Q_H and the implications of entropy changes.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and enthusiasts of thermodynamics, particularly those studying heat engines and the Carnot cycle, may find this discussion relevant.

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Homework Statement
A refrigeration system is used to cool down water from 15 C temperature and 150 kPa pressure to 5 C at a rate of 0.25 kg/s. Assume the refrigeration system works in a Carnot cycle between 0 C and 40C.
Determine:
a) The required rate of heat absorbed from the water
b) The maximum possible refrigeration system COP
c) The amount of power input that a refrigeration system required
d) The rate of heat rejected to the atmosphere
Relevant Equations
Q=m*c*deltaT
Carnot efficiency = 1-(T_L/T_H)
COP=Q_L/W_net,in
I think I calculated part a correctly by extracting the cp (specific heat) of water from the table which is 4.188
Then calculated Q_dot by simply using the equation Q=m*c*deltaT=10.47kW

But I am stuck at part b, I know that the heat extracted from the water is the same as Q_L (rate of heat absorption from low temp reservoir). But how can I calculate the coefficient of performance (COP) if I don't have Q_H (rate of heat rejection to the high temp reservoir) or W_in (work input)
 
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The maximum COP is obtained if the change in entropy of the reservoirs is zero. Based on this and the reservoir temperatures, what is the rate of heat rejection to the high temperature reservoir?
 
I'm not sure if I'm following you. I tried using another approach.
COP=Q_L/W_net and since w_net=Q_H-Q_L then we have: COP=Q_L/(Q_H-Q_L), and since this is a Carnot cycle, the Q_L and Q_H can be replaced with T_L and T_H. So we have

COP=T_L/(T_H-T_L)

Is this correct?
 
bardia sepehrnia said:
I'm not sure if I'm following you. I tried using another approach.
COP=Q_L/W_net and since w_net=Q_H-Q_L then we have: COP=Q_L/(Q_H-Q_L), and since this is a Carnot cycle, the Q_L and Q_H can be replaced with T_L and T_H. So we have

COP=T_L/(T_H-T_L)

Is this correct?
It is correct, although it is definitely not how I would have done it. l would have written that the change in entropy of the pair of reservoirs is given by $$\Delta S=\frac{Q_C}{T_C}-\frac{Q_H}{T_H}=0$$where ##Q_C## is the heat received by the cold reservoir at 0 C, and ##Q_H## is the heat rejected to the hot reservoir at 40 C. From this you can calculate ##Q_H##. The rest is easy.
 
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Thank you. Got it now
 

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