Cars: Weight Transfer & Body Roll

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the concepts of weight transfer and body roll in cars, particularly during braking and acceleration. Participants explore the relationship between spring rates and weight transfer, as well as the implications of different suspension setups.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that weight transfer during braking is influenced by acceleration, center of gravity height, wheelbase length, and total weight, but questions the role of spring rates in this context.
  • Another participant argues that higher spring rates require more force to induce body travel relative to the wheels, suggesting that this affects the amount of weight transfer during acceleration and deceleration.
  • A third participant shares a link to software for simulating and analyzing rear suspension setups, indicating that different configurations may yield different results regarding weight transfer.
  • A later reply reiterates that the effect of spring rates on weight transfer is contingent on the suspension setup, highlighting differences between 4-link suspensions and leaf springs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the influence of spring rates on weight transfer, with no consensus reached on the matter. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between spring rates and weight transfer during vehicle dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the behavior of weight transfer may depend on specific suspension configurations, which introduces additional complexity to the discussion.

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As I've learned from the "Physics of Racing" series by Brian Beckman, weight transfer of a car during braking can be determined by the acceleration, height of the car's center of gravity, length of the car's wheelbase, and weight of the entire car.

Now I realize that changing the spring rates will change the amount of body roll due to the intertia of the car's center of gravity. But the formula mentions nothing of spring rates, so I assume no matter what the spring rate, the same amount of weight is transferred from the rear wheels to the front wheels; and that's hard to picture.

Any ideas on this?
 
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the higher the spring rate, the more force is required to make the body travel relative to the wheels. so for a given force, the body will travel less relative to the wheels if the spring rate is higher. the more the body travels, the greater the weight transfer, so i don't see how spring rate cannot affect the weight transfer under acceleration/deceleration.
 
I had stumbled onto an interesting link sometime back. It had a lot of demo software to perform various calculations and I thought for what it is worth I'd provide a link for anyone intersted to vist. Here is a snip;

"Computer Program to Simulate and Analyze Rear Suspension 4-Link Setups for Instant Center, Pinion Angle and Driveshaft Angle Change, Anti-Squat %, and More for Drag Racing"

Here is a link to their download section;
http://www.performancetrends.com/download.htm
 
Originally posted by Fuego
the higher the spring rate, the more force is required to make the body travel relative to the wheels. so for a given force, the body will travel less relative to the wheels if the spring rate is higher. the more the body travels, the greater the weight transfer, so i don't see how spring rate cannot affect the weight transfer under acceleration/deceleration.

Kind of depends on how the suspension is set up. A 4-link suspension with coil springs will behave diferently than a leaf spring for example.
 

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