Cartesian to polar confusion (simple)?

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The discussion centers on converting the complex number -2 + 2√3i into polar coordinates. The confusion arises from the angle calculation, where θ is found using the tangent function, leading to two possible angles: -π/3 and 2π/3. The calculator's output of 4cis(2π/3) is confirmed as correct since it accurately represents the complex number in the second quadrant, while the alternative angle results in an incorrect Cartesian form. The periodic nature of the tangent function is highlighted, explaining the discrepancy in angle values. Ultimately, the correct polar representation aligns with the quadrant in which the complex number lies.
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Homework Statement


Convert -2+2√3i to polar coordinates.

Homework Equations


r = √x2+y2
θ = tan-1(y/x)

The Attempt at a Solution


I am confused because θ = tan-1(2√3/2) = tan-1(√3) = -π/3 and r = 4, so that would make the polar form 4cis(-π/3), but the calculator gives: 4cis(2π/3).
I think the calculator is right because when I convert my answer (4cis(-π/3)) back to cartesian it gives -2-2√3i, whereas the other (4cis(2π/3))gives the right answer, -2+2√3i.

Can someone explain what I'm doing wrong?
Thanks. :)
 
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In which quadrant does your complex number lie?
For which interval of angles is the standard tangent function defined?
 
Tangent is, of course, periodic and your calculator can give only one value- the "principal" value which, for tangent, is the value of \theta with the smallest absolute value. Since tangent is periodic with period \pi, tan(-\pi/3)= tan(-\pi/3+ \pi)= tan(2\pi/3).

You distinguish between them by noting that -\pi/3 is in the fourth quadrant, (+,-), while 2\pi/3 is in the second quadrant, (-, +).
 
arildno said:
In which quadrant does your complex number lie?
For which interval of angles is the standard tangent function defined?
OK, I have found the angle using x and y (cos and sin) and they both confirm that the calculator is correct. And yes, it does make sense since the complex number lies in quadrant 1 but why is the tan function wrong? I'm guessing you were hinting at that part but I really don't know. :)
 
noahsdev said:
OK, I have found the angle using x and y (cos and sin) and they both confirm that the calculator is correct. And yes, it does make sense since the complex number lies in quadrant 1 but why is the tan function wrong? I'm guessing you were hinting at that part but I really don't know. :)

Are you sure that -2+2SQRT(3)i is in the first quadrant? Why don't you make a sketch?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Tangent is, of course, periodic and your calculator can give only one value- the "principal" value which, for tangent, is the value of \theta with the smallest absolute value. Since tangent is periodic with period \pi, tan(-\pi/3)= tan(-\pi/3+ \pi)= tan(2\pi/3).

You distinguish between them by noting that -\pi/3 is in the fourth quadrant, (+,-), while 2\pi/3 is in the second quadrant, (-, +).
Yes that makes sense. Thanks.
P.S I know the quadrants haha I misstyped :)
 
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