Cartesian to polar confusion (simple)?

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Homework Help Overview

The original poster attempts to convert the complex number -2 + 2√3i into polar coordinates, expressing confusion regarding the angle and the resulting polar form compared to a calculator's output.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the angle θ using the tangent function and question the quadrant in which the complex number lies. They explore the periodic nature of the tangent function and its implications for determining the correct angle.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the periodicity of the tangent function and the significance of the principal value. There is acknowledgment of the confusion regarding the quadrant placement of the complex number, with suggestions to visualize the situation through sketches.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted discrepancy between the original poster's calculated angle and the calculator's output, leading to questions about the assumptions made regarding quadrant identification and angle determination.

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Homework Statement


Convert -2+2√3i to polar coordinates.

Homework Equations


r = √x2+y2
θ = tan-1(y/x)

The Attempt at a Solution


I am confused because θ = tan-1(2√3/2) = tan-1(√3) = -π/3 and r = 4, so that would make the polar form 4cis(-π/3), but the calculator gives: 4cis(2π/3).
I think the calculator is right because when I convert my answer (4cis(-π/3)) back to cartesian it gives -2-2√3i, whereas the other (4cis(2π/3))gives the right answer, -2+2√3i.

Can someone explain what I'm doing wrong?
Thanks. :)
 
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In which quadrant does your complex number lie?
For which interval of angles is the standard tangent function defined?
 
Tangent is, of course, periodic and your calculator can give only one value- the "principal" value which, for tangent, is the value of \theta with the smallest absolute value. Since tangent is periodic with period \pi, tan(-\pi/3)= tan(-\pi/3+ \pi)= tan(2\pi/3).

You distinguish between them by noting that -\pi/3 is in the fourth quadrant, (+,-), while 2\pi/3 is in the second quadrant, (-, +).
 
arildno said:
In which quadrant does your complex number lie?
For which interval of angles is the standard tangent function defined?
OK, I have found the angle using x and y (cos and sin) and they both confirm that the calculator is correct. And yes, it does make sense since the complex number lies in quadrant 1 but why is the tan function wrong? I'm guessing you were hinting at that part but I really don't know. :)
 
noahsdev said:
OK, I have found the angle using x and y (cos and sin) and they both confirm that the calculator is correct. And yes, it does make sense since the complex number lies in quadrant 1 but why is the tan function wrong? I'm guessing you were hinting at that part but I really don't know. :)

Are you sure that -2+2SQRT(3)i is in the first quadrant? Why don't you make a sketch?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Tangent is, of course, periodic and your calculator can give only one value- the "principal" value which, for tangent, is the value of \theta with the smallest absolute value. Since tangent is periodic with period \pi, tan(-\pi/3)= tan(-\pi/3+ \pi)= tan(2\pi/3).

You distinguish between them by noting that -\pi/3 is in the fourth quadrant, (+,-), while 2\pi/3 is in the second quadrant, (-, +).
Yes that makes sense. Thanks.
P.S I know the quadrants haha I misstyped :)
 

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