Cathode Ray Tube with magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around a cathode ray tube (CRT) and its interaction with a magnetic field produced by a solenoid. The problem involves calculating the potential difference required to accelerate electrons that are initially at rest, given their acceleration in the magnetic field and the distance to the screen.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using kinematic equations to find the final velocity of electrons and subsequently the energy and potential difference. There is a focus on solving symbolically rather than numerically. Questions arise about the appropriateness of using final versus average velocity and the relationship between acceleration and distance in the context of the magnetic field.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different methods to find the final velocity of the electrons. Some have provided guidance on using the magnetic force to find velocity, while others are questioning the assumptions regarding the direction and effect of the magnetic field. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive lines of reasoning are being developed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the acceleration and distance are provided in the problem statement, and there is a discussion about the direction of the magnetic field and its implications for the motion of the electrons.

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Homework Statement



A solenoid is placed beneath a CRT that produces a magnetic field of 1.10 x -2. The CRT is 1 meter away from a screen.
The electrons that make up the beam were accelerated from rest through a potential difference(V) at the beginning of the CRT. Acceleration of the electrons in the magnetic field is 9.08 x 1014 m/s2.
What is the potential difference required to accelerate the electrons.

See image for diagram http://imgur.com/OLIRC3j2. Relevant equation
E=Energy
m=mass
v=velocity
q=charge
V=potential difference
d=distance
a=acceleration


V=E/q
E=(1/2)mv2
v(final)2=v(initial)2 + 2ad

The Attempt at a Solution


I figure that I can solve for v(final) because I have all the variables. I can then use v(final) in the E=(1/2)mv2 formula to solve for E. Once I have E, i should be able to plug it into V=E/q.

Any help would be appreciated
 
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bob dobilina said:

Homework Statement



A solenoid is placed beneath a CRT that produces a magnetic field of 1.10 x -2. The CRT is 1 meter away from a screen.
The electrons that make up the beam were accelerated from rest through a potential difference(V) at the beginning of the CRT. Acceleration of the electrons in the magnetic field is 9.08 x 1014 m/s2.
What is the potential difference required to accelerate the electrons.

See image for diagram http://imgur.com/OLIRC3j2. Relevant equation
E=Energy
m=mass
v=velocity
q=charge
V=potential difference
d=distance
a=acceleration


V=E/q
E=(1/2)mv2
v(final)2=v(initial)2 + 2ad

The Attempt at a Solution


I figure that I can solve for v(final) because I have all the variables. I can then use v(final) in the E=(1/2)mv2 formula to solve for E. Once I have E, i should be able to plug it into V=E/q.

Any help would be appreciated
Yes, that sounds like a plan, though you did not explain how you will find the velocity.
My advice is to solve it entirely symbolically, not plugging in any numbers until you have a final formula. You may find there's some cancellation.
 
haruspex said:
Yes, that sounds like a plan, though you did not explain how you will find the velocity.
My advice is to solve it entirely symbolically, not plugging in any numbers until you have a final formula. You may find there's some cancellation.
v(final)2=v(initial)2 + 2ad

Initial velocity is 0 because it is at rest, so final velocity will be equal to whatever "2ad" turns out to be.
So E will look something like this
E = (1/2)m(2ad)2
Therefore, potential difference should be
V=E/q
V=((1/2)m(2ad)2)/q

I am unsure if it is okay if I use final velocity in my final equation, or if i should use average velocity?
 
bob dobilina said:
v(final)2=v(initial)2 + 2ad
I don't think so. Where are you getting a and d from for this?
 
haruspex said:
I don't think so. Where are you getting a and d from for this?
a and d are given to us in the question. This formula is one of the kinematics formula provided to me.
V final 2 = Velocity initial 2 + 2ad
 
bob dobilina said:
a and d are given to us in the question. This formula is one of the kinematics formula provided to me.
V final 2 = Velocity initial 2 + 2ad
Be specific. What are you using for a and d, out of the supplied information?
 
haruspex said:
Be specific. What are you using for a and d, out of the supplied information?

For d I am using the distance of the screen from the CRT, which is 1 meter.
For a, I am using the acceleration of the electrons in the magnetic field, which is 9.08 x 1014 m/s^2
 
bob dobilina said:
For d I am using the distance of the screen from the CRT, which is 1 meter.
For a, I am using the acceleration of the electrons in the magnetic field, which is 9.08 x 1014 m/s^2
In the equation v2=2ad, the acceleration must be acting along the distance d. Where is the magnetic field act in relation to the 1m, and in what direction?
 
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haruspex said:
In the equation v2=2ad, the acceleration must be acting along the distance d. Where is the magnetic field act in relation to the 1m, and in what direction?
The magnetic field is acting in a clockwise direction, which is why it pushes the electron the right side of the screen.

Hmmm, I know that E=Vq, therefore Vq=(1/2)mv2 so i need to find v.

Since the problem tells me the acceleration in the magnetic field, would I be able to use Force=massxacceleration to find the magnetic force?
Then with the magnetic force, use this formula:
Magnetic Force =qvB
(B=Magnetic Field)
,to solve for v?
 
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bob dobilina said:
The magnetic field is acting in a clockwise direction, which is why it pushes the electron the right side of the screen.

Hmmm, I know that E=Vq, therefore Vq=(1/2)mv2 so i need to find v.

Since the problem tells me the acceleration in the magnetic field, would I be able to use Force=massxacceleration to find the magnetic force?
Then with the magnetic force, use this formula:
Magnetic Force =qvB
(B=Magnetic Field)
,to solve for v?
Yes, that's how you need to find v here.
 
  • #11
Ok, thank you.
 
  • #12
Hi haruspex. Second part of the question here. Would appreciate any advice on this one. The only thing I can come up with is reversing the current of solenoid, but not sure how to prove this with the formulas.
 

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bob dobilina said:
Hi haruspex. Second part of the question here. Would appreciate any advice on this one. The only thing I can come up with is reversing the current of solenoid, but not sure how to prove this with the formulas.
Since haruspex may still be in bed (Australia), can I suggest (1) what effect is there on the mag. force when B is reversed, and (2) does the magnitude of the deflection depend on the magnitude of B?
 
  • #14
rude man said:
Since haruspex may still be in bed (Australia), can I suggest (1) what effect is there on the mag. force when B is reversed, and (2) does the magnitude of the deflection depend on the magnitude of B?
Thanks rude man, I should be able to figure it out from here...
 

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