Cauchy Boundedness: Partial Sums Unbounded?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of Cauchy sequences and their relationship to boundedness, specifically examining the partial sums of the series (sigma,n->infinity)(1/n). The original poster questions the validity of their assertion that the sequence of partial sums is Cauchy despite the series diverging, leading to an unbounded sequence.

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  • Participants explore the definition of Cauchy sequences and question the original poster's reasoning regarding the Cauchy property of the sequence of partial sums. There is a focus on the implications of divergence and boundedness.

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Some participants have provided clarifications on the definition of Cauchy sequences and pointed out potential misunderstandings in the original poster's reasoning. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the terms of a sequence and the Cauchy condition.

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Participants note the use of cryptic notation and the importance of clear communication in mathematical discussions. There is also a mention of the original poster's previous use of similar notation in an exam context.

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Thm: If a sequence is Cauchy than that sequence is bounded.

However Take the partial sums of the series (sigma,n->infinity)(1/n). The partial sums form a series which is Cauchy. But the series diverges so the sequence of partial sums is unbounded.

Sequence of partial sums is Cauchy b/c d(1/x,1/(x+1))=1/(k(k+1)) -> 0 as k->infinity

Have I done something wrong?
 
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Why do you think the sequences of partial sums are cauchy? They aren't.

I cannot begin to decipher what b/c d(... means.

If S_n means the sum to n terms, what makes you think that given e>0, there is an n(e) such that for all n,m>n(e) we have |S_n - S_m| < e?

It is easy to show this is impossible, using the same idea as to show that the series itself diverges. Remember that

1+1/2+1/3+1/4+1/5+... > 1+(1/2+1/2)+(1/4+1/4+1/4+1/4)+(1/8+1/8+1/8+...) > 1+1+1+1+...
 
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Is b/c d(.., "because" , the "distance" ...?

As matt suggested, I think you should be less cryptic in your notation.
 
pivoxa15 said:

Homework Statement


Thm: If a sequence is Cauchy than that sequence is bounded.

However Take the partial sums of the series (sigma,n->infinity)(1/n). The partial sums form a series which is Cauchy. But the series diverges so the sequence of partial sums is unbounded.

Sequence of partial sums is Cauchy b/c d(1/x,1/(x+1))=1/(k(k+1)) -> 0 as k->infinity

Have I done something wrong?
Yes, that's not the definition of Cauchy. A sequence a(n) is Cauchy if for all E > 0, there exist N natural such that for all m and n > N, |a(n) - a(m)| < E. All you've shown is that for all E > 0, there exists some natural N such that |a(N) - a(N+1)| < E, or something like that.
 
siddharth said:
Is b/c d(.., "because" , the "distance" ...?

As matt suggested, I think you should be less cryptic in your notation.

oh... I thought it was obvious. I actually used b/c in my exam recently to indicate 'because'. Although I used it in the middle of a sentence so hopefully might be less confusing than here.
 
If you'd've put a 'The' at the start of the sentence to actually make it into a sentence that might have helped. Anyway, have you understood the explanation of your mistake?
 
I think I have. Each term in the sequence is a series summed over a finite number of terms. However the larger the number of terms, the larger the sequence gets. Very much unlike Cauchy seqences where a recquirement is that each term in the seqence decreases in magnitude the further out the sequence gets.
 
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I think I have. Each term in the sequence is a series summed over a finite number of terms. However the larger the number of terms, the larger the sequence gets.

it is perfectly possible to be strictly increasing and still bounded/cauchy


Very much unlike Cauchy seqences where a recquirement is that each term in the seqence decreases in magnitude the further out the sequence gets.

nope, there is nothing that states the terms have to decrease in magnitude. It is the difference between terms in the sequence that is important.
 

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