Cauchy-Schwarz Inequality Proof | MathWorld Demonstration and Solution

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality as presented in a MathWorld demonstration. Participants are attempting to understand the implications of certain inner product relationships and the conditions under which the inequality holds, particularly in the context of complex functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are examining the relationship between inner products and the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality, questioning the nature of the functions involved (real vs. complex). They discuss the implications of absolute values in the context of complex inner products and express uncertainty about the last step of the proof.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in their understanding but are still grappling with specific details, such as the necessity of absolute values in the inequality. There is an ongoing exploration of the properties of inner products and their implications for the proof.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the nature of the functions f and g, with some participants initially assuming they are real-valued before recognizing they may be complex. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on the properties of Hermitian inner products and their relation to norms.

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Homework Statement


I'm trying to follow the demonstration of the Cauchy-Schwarz's inequality proof given in http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SchwarzsInequality.html.
I am stuck at the last step, namely that [itex]\langle \bar g , f \rangle \langle f , \bar g \rangle \leq \langle \bar f , f \rangle \langle \bar g , g \rangle \Rightarrow |\langle f , g \rangle |^2 \leq \langle f , f \rangle \langle g , g \rangle[/itex].


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I don't know.

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[itex]\langle \bar g , f \rangle \langle f , \bar g \rangle \leq \langle \bar f , f \rangle \langle \bar g , g \rangle \Rightarrow \langle \bar f , g \rangle \langle \bar f , g \rangle \leq \langle \bar f , f \rangle \langle \bar g , g \rangle[/itex]. I'm stuck here.
I know that [itex]||f||=\sqrt {\langle f , f \rangle}[/itex] but I don't even know if I can use this fact. Any tip is appreciated.
 
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I've made some progress I think.
Mathworld didn't specify it explicitely but I think that f and g are real functions.
So that I reach [itex]\langle \bar g , f \rangle \langle f , \bar g \rangle \leq \langle \bar f , f \rangle \langle \bar g , g \rangle \Rightarrow \langle \bar f , g \rangle \langle \bar f , g \rangle \leq \langle \bar f , f \rangle \langle \bar g , g \rangle \Rightarrow \langle f , g \rangle ^2 \leq \langle f , f \rangle \langle g , g \rangle[/itex]. So I "almost" reach the proof. I have a missing absolute value though. Any idea why?
 
Ok I got it wrong, f and g aren't real valued function because lambda (which is complex) is defined by some inner products involving f and g and their complex conjugate only.
If someone could tell me how to understand the last step I'd be grateful.
 
fluidistic said:
I've made some progress I think.
Mathworld didn't specify it explicitely but I think that f and g are real functions.
So that I reach [itex]\langle \bar g , f \rangle \langle f , \bar g \rangle \leq \langle \bar f , f \rangle \langle \bar g , g \rangle \Rightarrow \langle \bar f , g \rangle \langle \bar f , g \rangle \leq \langle \bar f , f \rangle \langle \bar g , g \rangle \Rightarrow \langle f , g \rangle ^2[/itex]
This is incorrect. [itex]\langle f, g\rangle^2[/itex] is a complex number. You want [itex]\left|\langle f, g\rangle\right|^2[/itex].

[itex]\leq \langle f , f \rangle \langle g , g \rangle[/itex]. So I "almost" reach the proof. I have a missing absolute value though. Any idea why?
Again, those are wrong. You want [itex]\langle f, \bar f\rangle= |f|^2[/itex] and [itex]\langle g, \bar g\rangle= |g|^2[/itex].
 
Thanks HallsofIvy!
HallsofIvy said:
This is incorrect. [itex]\langle f, g\rangle^2[/itex] is a complex number. You want [itex]\left|\langle f, g\rangle\right|^2[/itex].
Yeah you are right, I realized this in my previous post.


You want [itex]\langle f, \bar f\rangle= |f|^2[/itex] and [itex]\langle g, \bar g\rangle= |g|^2[/itex].
Ok... How do I prove these, for any inner product? I'm looking at the properties of Hermitian inner product given there: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/HermitianInnerProduct.html but I've no clue how to relate it with the [itex]|.|^2[/itex] (same as norm squared?)
 

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