Cauchy sequence with a convergent subsequence

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The discussion revolves around a theorem in metric spaces regarding Cauchy sequences and their convergent subsequences. The original poster seeks clarification on whether demonstrating the convergence of one subsequence is sufficient to conclude that the entire Cauchy sequence converges to the same limit.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the implications of a single subsequence converging and question the necessity of all subsequences converging. They discuss the definitions of Cauchy sequences and convergence, attempting to link these concepts to prove the theorem.

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Some participants have provided insights into the proof structure, suggesting that the Cauchy condition implies closeness of sequence elements, which may help in establishing convergence. There is ongoing clarification regarding specific steps in the proof, particularly about selecting indices that satisfy both the Cauchy condition and the convergence of the subsequence.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the definitions involved and the implications of the theorem, while also highlighting the need for clarity on certain steps in the proof process. The discussion reflects a mix of assumptions and definitions that are being critically examined.

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Homework Statement


Theorem: In a metric space X, if (xn) is a Cauchy sequence with a subsequence (xn_k) such that xn_k -> a, then xn->a.

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The Attempt at a Solution


1) According to this theorem, if we can show that ONE subsequence of xn converges to a, is that enough? Or do we need to show that EVERY subseuqence of xn converges to a in order to claim that xn->a?

2) How can we prove the theorem?
By definition, xn is Cauchy iff for all ε>0, there exists N s.t. if n,m≥N, then d(an,am)<ε.
By definition, xn->a iff for all ε>0, there exists M s.t. if n≥M, then d(xn,a)<ε.
I know the definitions, but I don't see how to link these all together to prove the theorem...

Any help is greatly appreciated!
 
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kingwinner said:
1) According to this theorem, if we can show that ONE subsequence of xn converges to a, is that enough? Or do we need to show that EVERY subseuqence of xn converges to a in order to claim that xn->a?

You can only assume it for one subsequence. Otherwise you could just take the subsequence n_k=k and be done.

The general idea of this proof is that for a_nk to converge to a means that for large enough N for all k>N a_nk is close to a. Now the issue here is that a_nk doesn't include all elements of a_n, but to say that a_n is Cauchy means precisely that for large enough indices the elements are close to each other.

To actually perform the proof let us choose some \epsilon &gt; 0. Note that since a_{n_k} \to a there exists some K>0 such that for all k>K we have d(a_{n_k},a) &lt; \epsilon. Now since (a_n) is Cauchy there exists some N>0 such that if n,m>N, then d(a_n,a_m) &lt; \epsilon. This is the necessary setup.

There exists some k' such that n_{k&#039;} &gt; N and k&#039; &gt; K. By the Cauchy condition if n&gt;N, then,
d(a_{n_{k&#039;}},a_n) &lt; \epsilon
Similarily by the convergence we have,
d(a_{n_{k&#039;}},a}) &lt; \epsilon
Add these and use the triangle inequality to get,
d(a_n,a) &lt; 2\epsilon
Since \epsilon was arbitrary this shows that (a_n) converges to a.
 
rasmhop said:
You can only assume it for one subsequence. Otherwise you could just take the subsequence n_k=k and be done.

The general idea of this proof is that for a_nk to converge to a means that for large enough N for all k>N a_nk is close to a. Now the issue here is that a_nk doesn't include all elements of a_n, but to say that a_n is Cauchy means precisely that for large enough indices the elements are close to each other.

To actually perform the proof let us choose some \epsilon &gt; 0. Note that since a_{n_k} \to a there exists some K>0 such that for all k>K we have d(a_{n_k},a) &lt; \epsilon. Now since (a_n) is Cauchy there exists some N>0 such that if n,m>N, then d(a_n,a_m) &lt; \epsilon. This is the necessary setup.

There exists some k' such that n_{k&#039;} &gt; N and k&#039; &gt; K. By the Cauchy condition if n&gt;N, then,
d(a_{n_{k&#039;}},a_n) &lt; \epsilon
Similarily by the convergence we have,
d(a_{n_{k&#039;}},a}) &lt; \epsilon
Add these and use the triangle inequality to get,
d(a_n,a) &lt; 2\epsilon
Since \epsilon was arbitrary this shows that (a_n) converges to a.
There exists some k' such that n_{k&#039;} &gt; N and k&#039; &gt; K <---can you please explain this part?

Thank you!
 
kingwinner said:
There exists some k' such that n_{k&#039;} &gt; N and k&#039; &gt; K <---can you please explain this part?

Thank you!

Well 1 \leq n_1 &lt; n_2 &lt; \cdots so n_i \geq i (n_1 must be at least 1, n_2 must be at least one more, n_3 must be at least one more than n_2, etc.). Thus n_{N+1} &gt; N so simply let k&#039; = \max(N+1,K+1), then
n_{k&#039;} \geq n_{N+1} &gt; N \qquad k&#039; \geq K+1 &gt; K
Basically what this says is the sequence (n_k) will eventually become greater than N (it's unbounded) and there exists an integer larger than K.
 

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