Center of mass of spherical shell inside of cone (Apostol Problem).

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The discussion revolves around calculating the center of mass of a spherical shell situated inside a cone, as presented in Apostol's textbook. The original poster is attempting to reconcile their calculations with the provided solution in the book.

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  • The original poster outlines their method using spherical coordinates and attempts to derive the z-coordinate of the center of mass. They express uncertainty regarding their results compared to the book's solution. Other participants introduce the concept of the double angle formula for cosine, suggesting it may clarify the original poster's calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different mathematical expressions and their implications. Some guidance has been offered regarding the simplification of expressions, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the original poster's calculations versus the book's solution.

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The original poster's calculations are based on specific assumptions about the coordinate system and density, which are under scrutiny. There is also a reference to the potential for errors in the solutions manual, indicating a need for careful verification of the mathematical steps involved.

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A homogenous spherical shell of radius ##a## is cut by one nappe of a right circular cone whose vertex is at the center of the sphere. If the vertex angle of the cone is ##\alpha##, where ##0<\alpha<\pi##, determine (in terms of ##a## and ##\alpha## the center of mass of the portion of the spherical shell that lies inside the cone.
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##\iint_S f(x,y,z)dS##
I am asking this question because my solution does not seem to match the solution at the end of the book (Apostol Vol II, section 12.10, problem 9).

Here is my attempt to solve this problem.

If our coordinate system is chosen such that the z-axis lines up with the axis of the cone then by symmetry the ##x## and ##y## coordinates of the center of mass will both be zero.

All that is left is to calculate the z-coordinate of the center of mass.

Using spherical coordinates, the cone is ##\theta=\alpha/2## and the sphere is ##\rho=a##.

The parameterized equation for the sphere is ##\vec{r}=\langle a\sin{\theta}\cos{\phi}, a\sin{\theta}\sin{\phi}a\cos{\theta}\rangle##.

The portion inside the cone is the red area below

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Just to be clear about the coordinate system, I am using spherical coordinates defined as follows

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Now, the spherical shell has a constant density of ##d(x,y,z)=\frac{M}{4\pi a^2}##.

Let's define ##f(x,y,z)=z\cdot d(x,y,z)##.

Then our calculation of ##z_{cm}## is

$$z_{cm}=\frac{\int\int_S f(x,y,z) dS}{\int\int_S d(x,y,z)dS}$$

$$=\frac{\int\int_S f(\vec{r}(\theta,\phi))\cdot \lVert \frac{d\vec{r}}{d\theta}\times\frac{d\vec{r}}{d\phi} \rVert d\theta d\phi}{\int\int_S d(\vec{r}(\theta,\phi)) \lVert \frac{d\vec{r}}{d\theta}\times\frac{d\vec{r}}{d\phi} \rVert d\theta d\phi}$$

The denominator is

$$\frac{M}{4\pi a^2}\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\alpha/2} a^2\sin{\theta}d\theta d\phi$$

$$=\frac{M(1-\cos{(\alpha/2)}}{2}$$

And the numerator is

$$\frac{M}{4\pi a^2}a^3\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\alpha/2} \sin{\theta}\cos{\theta} d\theta d\phi$$

$$=\frac{Ma\sin^2{(\alpha/2)}}{4}$$

Thus when we put numerator and denominator together we get

$$\frac{\frac{Ma\sin^2{(\alpha/2)}}{4}}{\frac{M(1-\cos{(\alpha/2)}}{2}}$$

$$=\frac{a\sin^2{(\alpha/2)}}{2(1-\cos{(\alpha/2)})}$$

However, it seems that either I have made a mistake or the solutions manual is wrong, because they have the answer

On the axis of the cone, at a distance ##\frac{1}{4}a\frac{1-\cos{\alpha}}{1-\cos{(\alpha/2)}}## from the center of the sphere.
 
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Are you familiar with the formula for the cosine of a double angle ##\cos(2x) = \ldots##?
 
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Orodruin said:
Are you familiar with the formula for the cosine of a double angle ##\cos(2x) = \ldots##?
Ah yes, that is indeed the solution to my woes.

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I will say that your expression looks tidier. The given expression likely originated from using that ##\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta) = \sin(2\theta)/2## before integration.
 
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