Show that the symmetric group S_n has elements of all order

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The discussion revolves around proving that the symmetric group \( S_n \) contains elements of every order \( d \) where \( 1 \leq d \leq n \). The original poster attempts to establish this by examining the orders of specific permutations in cycle notation.

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  • Participants discuss the validity of the original poster's reasoning regarding the order of permutations. There is a question about the necessity of a rigorous proof, such as using induction, to support the claim about the order of the cycle \( (1,2,\ldots,n) \). Others suggest that a direct demonstration may suffice.

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The discussion is active with participants providing insights and suggestions on how to approach the proof. Some guidance has been offered regarding the direct justification of the order of cycles, while others explore related questions about proving the order of a cycle in general.

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Participants note the potential need for clarity in reasoning, especially for those less familiar with the concepts, indicating a consideration of the audience's background knowledge.

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Homework Statement


Prove that if ##1 \leq d \leq n##, then ##S_n## contains elements of order d.

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Here is my idea. The order of the identity permutation is 1. Written in cycle notation, the order of (1,2) is 2, the order of (1,2,3) is 3, the order of (1,2,3,4) is 4, and in general the order of (1,2,3,4,...,n-1,n) is n. It would seem that this shows that if ##1 \leq d \leq n##, then ##S_n## contains elements of order d.

However, I am not sure how rigorous this is. Do I need to make an induction argument that in general (1,2,3,4,...,n-1,n) has order n, or is it fine as it is?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
However, I am not sure how rigorous this is. Do I need to make an induction argument that in general (1,2,3,4,...,n-1,n) has order n, or is it fine as it is?
This only depends on whom it is meant for. For me, it is o.k., but I already had the same thought as I've read the question. For someone in high school, some kind of reasoning might be helpful. You don't need an induction here, because you can show it directly for ##(1,2,\ldots,n)## and the knowledge that ##(1,2,\ldots,n-1)## is of order ##n-1## is of no help for ##(1,2,\ldots,n)^n=1\, : \,## You would have to write
$$ \begin{align*}(1,2,\ldots,n)^n &= [(1,2,\ldots,n-1) \cdot (n,n-1)]^n \\ &= (1,2,\ldots,n-1) \cdot (n,n-1) \cdot \ldots \cdot (1,2,\ldots,n-1) \cdot (n,n-1) \end{align*}$$
and deal with the fact, that the permutations are not commutative, which would make it unnecessarily complicated.

Thus simply take any number ##i\in \{1,2,\ldots,n\}## and justify why it takes ##n## turns to reach ##i## again.
 
Okay, that answers my question.

On a related note, how would I prove that the order of a cycle is equal to its length? It seems very obvious, but I can't quite see how to formalize a proof
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Okay, that answers my question.

On a related note, how would I prove that the order of a cycle is equal to its length? It seems very obvious, but I can't quite see how to formalize a proof
Just count the steps: ##i \mapsto i+1 \mapsto \ldots \mapsto n \mapsto 1 \mapsto \ldots \mapsto i-1 \mapsto i## where you have to be careful at the turning point ##n## with the counting (e.g. I tend to make a mistake by one at this point) and remark, that there is no way of getting back to ##1## earlier.

Or assume ## {(1,2,\ldots,n)}^m = 1 = id## which is ## {i}+m \cdot 1 = 1({i}) = i \mod n ## for all ##1 \leq i \leq n## and show that this can only be true for ##m=n##.
 
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