Centering a Laser Beam received from multiple directions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of configuring mirrors to center a laser beam received from multiple directions, particularly in the context of data transmission between satellites. Participants explore various optical configurations and the challenges associated with receiving laser signals effectively.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using a large paraboloid mirror to focus the laser beam, but note that it may only work effectively within a limited region.
  • Others suggest that an algorithm might be necessary to adjust the configuration so that any hit on the target would allow the laser to be centered.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of parabolic antennas for receiving off-axis signals, indicating that they may not be suitable for the intended application.
  • Participants discuss the need for separate TX/RX pairs for each communication path if they are not aligned, and the potential challenges of receiving signals from multiple directions simultaneously.
  • One participant mentions the difficulty of centering light on a receiver and suggests that telescope optics might be a better solution for achieving good optical gain, although they also note the limitations of off-axis reception.
  • A participant expresses interest in using multiple convex lenses with rapid adjustments to improve reception and raises questions about the effects of temperature and radiation on lens performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to center the laser beam or the effectiveness of various optical configurations. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the optimal setup for receiving laser transmissions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific optical configurations, the challenges of off-axis reception, and the unresolved nature of the proposed algorithms for centering the laser beam.

Dohmer
Is it possible to set mirrors up in such a way that if you hit any area of any of the mirrors, the laser would be brought to a central location in the middle of the mirrors? I'm thinking of a way to transmit data in space via laser where you would want a large target for the laser to hit when sending information back and forth between satelites. The laser would hit the array from up to a wide angle (say <90°).

thank you so much. i have already put a fair amount of thought into this.
 
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What about a big paraboloid mirror?
 
DoItForYourself said:
What about a big paraboloid mirror?
Right, I was trying to think of a configuration. Maybe it is just a matter of coming up with an algorithm so that any area of a 'target' that you hit would allow the laser to be centered. A paraboloid mirror by itself would only have a very small region where the laser would hit the center, plus we have to remember the laser is moving a lot as well (assume the laser is in a higher Earth orbit).
 
Dohmer said:
Is it possible to set mirrors up in such a way that if you hit any area of any of the mirrors, the laser would be brought to a central location in the middle of the mirrors? I'm thinking of a way to transmit data in space via laser where you would want a large target for the laser to hit when sending information back and forth between satelites. The laser would hit the array from up to a wide angle (say <90°).

thank you so much. i have already put a fair amount of thought into this.
Dohmer said:
Right, I was trying to think of a configuration. Maybe it is just a matter of coming up with an algorithm so that any area of a 'target' that you hit would allow the laser to be centered. A paraboloid mirror by itself would only have a very small region where the laser would hit the center, plus we have to remember the laser is moving a lot as well (assume the laser is in a higher Earth orbit).

I don't think the parabolic antenna is a solution to what you are asking about. It sounds like you are wanting a way to aim fairly collimated lasers between several satellites and having good TX/RX gain between them. Parabolic antennas are not for receiving off-axis signals.

I think you will need to use a TX/RX pair for each communication path if they are not coaxial with the other paths. There may be a way to receive laser signals from multiple directions at once, but the signal-to-noise ratio will be pretty bad if you are receiving light from all around, just in order to be able to receive signals from a few discrete directions.
 
berkeman said:
I don't think the parabolic antenna is a solution to what you are asking about. It sounds like you are wanting a way to aim fairly collimated lasers between several satellites and having good TX/RX gain between them. Parabolic antennas are not for receiving off-axis signals.

I think you will need to use a TX/RX pair for each communication path if they are not coaxial with the other paths. There may be a way to receive laser signals from multiple directions at once, but the signal-to-noise ratio will be pretty bad if you are receiving light from all around, just in order to be able to receive signals from a few discrete directions.
The question is what kind of Rx can you set up to receive the laser transmission. it would be incredibly difficult to center this light on a Rx
 
Dohmer said:
The question is what kind of Rx can you set up to receive the laser transmission. it would be incredibly difficult to center this light on a Rx
To have good optical receive gain, you use something that looks like telescope optics. Those optics can either be made up of lenses or parabolic mirrors, or a combination. But telescope optics have a very finite entrance pupil, and do not receive optical signals that are off-axis. So as long as the Tx laser beam source is enough on-axis to be received by the Rx optics, you get a good Rx signal. But if your Tx beam is way off axis (even a few degrees, depending on your optical gain), you will not see that beam.

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I believe what I will try to do is have 2-3 (or more) convex lenses where rapid adjustment of the middle lense will need to occur. I wonder if the temperature or level of radiation of the laser will affect all types of lenses. Also, if I were to have a say 20 meter lens, I wonder what the lightest weight lense I could have would be...
 

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