Centre of mass of truncated sphere

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The discussion revolves around deriving the center of mass of a truncated sphere, with participants exploring the necessary mathematical framework and integral setup required for the calculation.

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  • Participants discuss the use of triple integrals and the challenges of determining integral limits. There are suggestions to consider spherical coordinates for the integration process. Some participants express confusion regarding the parameters involved in the truncation, specifically the variables h and R, and seek clarification on the meaning of alpha. Others present mathematical expressions related to the volume of the truncated shape and the center of mass calculations, while also questioning the assumptions made in the derivation.

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Homework Statement


derivation of the centre of mass of the truncated sphere


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i tried to solve it with triple integrals but i failed to figure ut the integral limits
 
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You need to give more information here.
HOW is the sphere trunctated?

AS for the integral limits, you should most likely shift to spherical coordinates.
 
Dear,
Please see the attached File
 

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Please state the problem here, rather than referring to some other document I have to wait before opening.
 
i m sorry for that but i can not draw diagram in this page,thats why i send the attached image.
i m again sorry ,i don't want u to wait.
 
Well, I am unable to open the file prior to the mentor's approval of it.
 
Now, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by saying "h and R" is changing.
We have the relation:
[tex]h=R+\sqrt{R^{2}-(\frac{\alpha}{2})^{2}}[/tex]
For any particular truncation, (with [itex]\phi[/itex] being the angle between the upwards vertical and the position vector from the origin,) we may decompose our volume as a sphere with the appropriate cone cut out, plus that cone.

The volume of the cone is clearly: [tex]V_{cone}=\frac{1}{3}\pi(\frac{\alpha}{2})^{2}*\sqrt{R^{2}-(\frac{\alpha}{2})^{2}}[/tex]
wheras the volume of the "cone-less" sphere must be:
[tex]V=\int_{\sin^{-1}(\frac{\alpha}{2R})}^{\pi}\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_{0}^{R}r^{2}\sin\phi{dR}d\theta{d}\phi=\frac{2\pi{R}^{3}}{3}(1+\cos(\sin^{-1}(\frac{\alpha}{2R})))=\frac{2\pi{R}^{3}}{3}(1+\frac{\sqrt{R^{2}-(\frac{\alpha}{2})^{2}}}{R})[/tex]
 
As for the center of mass, I forgot that that was your question. Sorry, I'll look upon it tomorrow..
 
Okay, I'll finish this, then:

Since [itex]z=r\cos\phi[/itex], it follows that on the plane where [itex]z=\sqrt{R^{2}-(\frac{\alpha}{2})^{2}}[/tex], we have that the radius follows the the curve:<br /> [tex]r=\frac{\sqrt{R^{2}-(\frac{\alpha}{2})^{2}}}{\cos\phi}[/tex]<br /> <br /> Also, remember that the truncated sphere is axially symmetric, so that the x-y-coordinates must be zero.<br /> <br /> Generally, assuming unit density, the z-coordinate of the center of mass of some region R will be:<br /> [tex]z_{c.m}=\frac{1}{V}\int_{R}zdV[/tex]<br /> <br /> We decompose our integral into two parts, then (with V as the ugly expression given above):<br /> [tex]z_{c.m}=\frac{2\pi}{V}(\int_{0}^{\sin^{-1}(\frac{\alpha}{2R})}\int_{0}^{\frac{Z}{\cos\phi}}zr^{2}\sin\phi{d\phi}dr+\int_{\sin^{-1}(\frac{\alpha}{2R})}^{\pi}\int_{0}^{R}zr^{2}\sin\phi{d\phi}dr)[/tex]<br /> <br /> With [tex]Z=\sqrt{R^{2}-(\frac{\alpha}{2})^{2}}[/tex]<br /> <br /> We now calculate the two integrals:<br /> [tex]\int_{\sin^{-1}(\frac{\alpha}{2R})}^{\pi}\int_{0}^{R}zr^{2}\sin\phi{d\phi}dr=\int_{\sin^{-1}(\frac{\alpha}{2R})}^{\pi}\int_{0}^{R}r^{3}\cos\phi\sin\phi{d\phi}dr=\int_{\sin^{-1}(\frac{\alpha}{2R})}^{\pi}\frac{R^{4}}{4}\cos\phi\sin(\phi)d\phi=\frac{R^{4}}{8}\sin^{2}\phi\mid_{\sin^{-1}(\frac{\alpha}{2R})}^{\pi}=-\frac{R^{2}\alpha^{2}}{32}[/tex]<br /> <br /> [tex]\int_{0}^{\sin^{-1}(\frac{\alpha}{2R})}\int_{0}^{\frac{Z}{\cos\phi}}r^{3}\cos\phi\sin\phi{d\phi}dr=\int_{0}^{\sin^{-1}(\frac{\alpha}{2R})}\frac{Z^{4}}{4}\frac{\sin\phi}{\cos^{3}\phi}d\phi=\frac{Z^{4}}{8}\frac{1}{\cos^{2}\phi}\mid_{0}^{\sin^{-1}(\frac{\alpha}{2R})}=\frac{Z^{4}}{8}(\frac{4R^{2}}{4R^{2}-\alpha^{2}}-1)=\frac{Z^{4}}{8}\frac{\alpha^{2}}{4R^{2}-\alpha^{2}}[/tex]<br /> <br /> Adding these, you should get something like:<br /> [tex]z_{c.m}=-\frac{\pi\alpha^{4}}{64V}[/tex][/itex]
 
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dear can u tell what is alpha
 
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Dear arildno,
Please explain about alpha ,i don't understand about it
 
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Okay, I misread your [itex]\gamma[/itex] for an [itex]\alpha[/itex].
Sorry about that.
 
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[itex]\bar{z} = \frac{1}{V}\int_R z dV[/itex]

Why isn't the answer:

[itex]\frac{\int _0^hz r^2\text{Sin}\left[\text{ArcCos}\left[1-\frac{z}{r}\right]\right]^2dz}{\int _0^h r^2\text{Sin}\left[\text{ArcCos}\left[1-\frac{z}{r}\right]\right]^2dz}[/itex]
 

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