Centrifugal Effects During Rail Launch

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The discussion focuses on the centrifugal effects experienced by a rocket during its launch along a rail, particularly considering the Earth's rotation. Participants explore the implications of these effects in a three degrees of freedom (3DOF) simulation, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of modeling forces during the launch phase.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant is developing a 3DOF simulation and seeks to understand how to account for centrifugal effects while the rocket is still constrained on the rail.
  • Another participant explains that if the rail is aligned west-east, the centripetal force can be calculated using the formula ##F_c = \frac{mv^2}{R}##, where v includes the speed due to Earth's rotation.
  • The same participant notes that if the rail has a north-south component, the Coriolis effect must be considered, as it impacts the rocket's trajectory due to changes in rotational speed with latitude.
  • A later reply acknowledges the complexity of accounting for various forces acting on the rocket during ground launch, especially for arbitrary launch azimuths and sites.
  • One participant references external material on forces in a rotating frame, indicating a desire to incorporate established principles into their simulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to consider centrifugal and Coriolis effects during the rail launch, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific implementation and calculations in the simulation.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the complete set of forces acting on the rocket and the complexities involved in modeling these effects accurately for different launch conditions.

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Question about centrifugal effects on rocket during translation along a rail.
I’m writing a 3DOF sim for a rocket. I’m having a hard time visualizing centrifugal effects from the Earth's rotation on the rocket while it is moving along the rail (acceleration > 0).

I know that once it has left the rail I no longer need to account for it since it’s in the ECI frame and unconstrained with the earth. I’m just wondering how to deal with centrifugal effects during the rail launch since two of the body axes are still constrained.

I suppose I could rotate the centripetal ECEF components to the body coordinate frame and subtract out the roll component then I could rotate back to ECEF? Does this approach sound valid or am I missing something?
 
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If the rail is aligned in the west-east direction (I assume you would be sending the rocket on a west to east path to take advantage of the Earth's rotational speed), it is easy to work out the centripetal force required to keep it on the rail: ##F_c = \frac{mv^2}{R}## where v is the total speed of the rocket relative to the inertial frame of the centre of the Earth (ie. it includes the speed due to Earth rotation).

If there is a component of the rail that is in the north-south direction other than at the equator, you would have to take into account the Coriolis effect. The Coriolis effect (or force, if you are analysing it from the non-inertial rocket reference frame) arises if the rocket is moving in a direction other than parallel to the Earth's axis of rotation. This change results from the change in the rotational speed of the Earth surface/rail. The distance to the axis of rotation changes with change in latitude.

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You are absolutely correct, thank you. I am trying to write this for any arbitrary launch azimuth and launch site, its just hard to remember everything that is acting on the rocket while on the ground haha.
 

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