Centripetal acceleration and force

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The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum speed required for cars on a theme park ride to remain in contact with the track while traveling around a vertical loop, as well as determining the maximum reaction force of the track. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification related to centripetal acceleration and force.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving cars with a mass of 500 kg traveling around a vertical loop with a diameter of 20 m, seeking to find the minimum speed and maximum reaction force.
  • Another participant suggests applying an equation at the top of the loop to determine the conditions for the cars to remain in contact with the track.
  • There is a mention of the relationship between centripetal force, gravity, and the forces acting on the cars, with one participant expressing uncertainty about the correct formulation.
  • A participant notes that the acceleration of an object moving in a circle can be expressed as the square of the speed divided by the radius, introducing the concept of angular velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the calculations and the appropriate formulas to use. There is no consensus on the correct approach or final answers, and multiple viewpoints on the necessary equations and concepts remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not provided specific values for acceleration or angular acceleration, and there are unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning presented.

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The cars on a theme park ride each have a mass of 500 kg and travel around a vertical loop of diameter 20m.
What is the minimum speed at which the cars must enter the loop in order to remain in contact with the track and What will then be the maximum reaction of the track?
M=mass
g=gravity
r=radius of loop

i don't know how to work out the mimimum speed required because there is no time value or angular acceleration given.
to work out the maximum reaction
Square root of (MgXr)
500X9.81=4905
4905X10=49050
square root of 49050 = 221.472 Newtons (not sure on the formula though)
 
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Hi Batman121! Welcome to PF! :smile:

Hint: what equation must you apply at the top of the loop for the car to remain in contact with the track? :smile:
 
the only one i can think of is
centripetal force + gravity has to equal the centrifugal force acting on the cars
 
Batman121 said:
the only one i can think of is
centripetal force + gravity has to equal the centrifugal force acting on the cars

That's the one! :smile:

So … putting the numbers in … the minimum velocity, at the top, for a car to remain in contact with the track is … ? :smile:
 
so it would be mass of 500 X acceleration to get centrigufal force. but i don't know acceleration or how to work it out.
 
Batman121 said:
so it would be mass of 500 X acceleration to get centrigufal force. but i don't know acceleration or how to work it out.

Acceleration of something moving in a circle of radius r with speed v is [tex]\frac{v^2}{r}[/tex] towards the centre of the circle.

That also equals [tex]\omega^2r[/tex], where [tex]\omega[/tex] is the angular velocity, v/r.
 

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