Centripetal Acceleration Question

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving centripetal acceleration in the context of a skateboarder navigating a vertical loop on a roller coaster track. The specific question pertains to the minimum velocity required to prevent the skateboarder from falling off at the top of the loop, considering the effects of gravity and centripetal force.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between centripetal force and gravitational force, questioning how these forces interact at the top of the loop. There is an emphasis on understanding why centripetal acceleration is set equal to gravitational acceleration in this scenario.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, asking clarifying questions about the forces at play and the implications of the skateboarder's speed. Some guidance has been offered regarding the role of normal force and the timing of gravitational effects during the loop.

Contextual Notes

There appears to be some confusion regarding the direction of forces and the conditions necessary for maintaining circular motion at the top of the loop. The discussion includes references to free body diagrams and force balance equations, indicating a focus on visualizing the problem.

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Homework Statement


A skateboarder has to do a loop the vertical loop of a roller coaster track. The radius of the loop is 6.53 m, what is the minimum velocity the skateboarder must have to not fall off when he is at the top of the loop.

Homework Equations


Equation for centripetal acceleration.

Ac=v^2 / r

The Attempt at a Solution


I know how to get the answer, basically rearranging for v, and setting Ac to 9.8 to counteract the gravity pulling the rider down. However, I need help understanding the concept. Why does setting the centripetal acceleration as 9.8 give you the right answer? In this case that the skateboarder is at the top of the loop, the gravity is pulling down in the same direction as the centripetal force. I'm pretty sure I am misunderstanding the direction of the centripetal force. Basically my question is: Does the centripetal force act in the same direction as gravity in this case?
 
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Alameen Damer said:
Basically my question is: Does the centripetal force act in the same direction as gravity in this case?
Yes , it does .
Alameen Damer said:
Why does setting the centripetal acceleration as 9.8 give you the right answer?
The normal force at the top must just tend to zero , for the boy to finish circular motion . Why ?
Hint : Because if the velocity would be zero , the force of gravity would do what ?
 
The gravity would simply pull down the boy, and he won't finish his loop
 
What I am confused on is if there is the force of gravity, in this case the centripetal force pulling down on the boy, what is the force that is counteracting it?
 
Alameen Damer said:
What I am confused on is if there is the force of gravity, in this case the centripetal force pulling down on the boy, what is the force that is counteracting it?
Gravity actually does pull the body during circular motion too , but only in the case of circular motion , it falls sideways .

I hope you can understand this .
 
What do you mean by it falls sideways? Do you mean that the net force cause the boy to continue on the loop rather than just fall off? If not, what is it that prevents the boy from just falling off at the top?
 
Alameen Damer said:
What do you mean by it falls sideways? Do you mean that the net force cause the boy to continue on the loop rather than just fall off?
Yes , this is it .
 
Ok thanks a lot!
 
Alameen Damer said:
Ok thanks a lot!
Have you tried drawing a free body diagram? What are the forces acting on the boy? What is the force balance equation?
 
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Alameen Damer said:
What do you mean by it falls sideways? Do you mean that the net force cause the boy to continue on the loop rather than just fall off? If not, what is it that prevents the boy from just falling off at the top?
Time. If the skateboarder's speed is just enough to do the loop, he is not at the top long enough for gravity to pull him down. Gravity has just enough time to deflect him from a straight line path so that he follows the curved rail at the top, but it does not have enough time to move him farther i.e to pull him away from the rail.

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