Centripetal acceleration of viking ship in the amusement park.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the physics of a Viking ship amusement park ride, specifically focusing on centripetal acceleration, forces acting on riders, and the calculations related to these concepts. Participants explore various aspects of the problem, including speed at the bottom of the arc, centripetal acceleration, and the forces experienced by riders.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the speed of the riders at the bottom of the arc as 16.57 m/s and the centripetal acceleration as 19.61 m/s².
  • Another participant provides a force exerted by the ride on a 60 kg rider as 1176.798 N, equating it to 2.00 times the rider's weight.
  • There is a discussion about the position of the ride when it is momentarily motionless, with multiple requests for a diagram to clarify this point.
  • One participant notes a discrepancy in the weight calculation, suggesting that the answer provided seems to refer to a 90 kg rider instead of the stated 60 kg rider.
  • Participants discuss the angle of the ship with respect to the vertical at its highest position, with one stating it is 60 degrees based on the normal force being 2mg.
  • There is mention of using right triangle trigonometry to compute the angle related to the forces acting on the rider.
  • Another participant asserts that the force exerted by the ride cannot exceed 3mg, indicating a limit on the forces involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and interpretations of the forces and angles involved. There is no consensus on the accuracy of the weight calculations or the necessity of a diagram, as multiple requests for clarification remain unaddressed.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations depend on assumptions about the mass of the rider and the absence of friction. The discussion also highlights the need for a clear diagram to fully understand the problem setup.

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Hi,

Riders in an amusement park ride shaped like a Viking ship hung from a large pivot are rotated back and forth like a rigid pendulum. Sometime near the middle of the ride, the ship is momentarily motionless at the top of its circular arc. The ship then swings down under the influence of gravity.

(a) Assuming negligible friction, find the speed of the riders at the bottom of its arc, given the system’s center of mass travels in an arc having a radius of 14.0 m and the riders are near the center of mass.

(b) What is the centripetal acceleration at the bottom of the arc?

(c) Draw a free body diagram of the forces acting on a rider at the bottom of the arc.

(d) Find the force exerted by the ride on a 60.0 kg rider and compare it to her weight.

(e) Discuss whether the answer seems reasonable.

Answers:- $(a)16.57 m/s (b) 19.61 m/s^2$

(c)
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N=North pole= Upward forces acting on the rider at the bottom of arc. W=?I know it is downward forces $Mass \times g(9.81 m/s^2)$

But what are your answers to (d) and (e)?
 
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Is there a diagram with this problem? What is the position of the ride relative to its lowest position when it is momentarily motionless?
 
skeeter said:
Is there a diagram with this problem? What is the position of the ride relative to its lowest position when it is momentarily motionless?
Hi,
I got the answer for (d) and it is 1176.798 N or $2.00 \times W$ where $W= 60 kg \times 9.80665 m/s^2$
 
Dhamnekar Winod said:
Hi,
I got the answer for (d) and it is 1176.798 N or $2.00 \times W$ where $W= 60 kg \times 9.80665 m/s^2$

Is that your solution, or one given by "the book"?

by the way, you didn't answer my first question ...

Is there a diagram with this problem? What is the position of the ride relative to its lowest position when it is momentarily motionless?
 
Hi,
Question states 60 kg rider but give answer for 90kg rider. :)
 
You still have not answered my first question ...

If the normal force on the rider is $2mg$, then the ship makes a 60 degree angle w/respect to the vertical at its highest position.
 
skeeter said:
You still have not answered my first question ...

If the normal force on the rider is $2mg$, then the ship makes a 60 degree angle w/respect to the vertical at its highest position.
Hello,
How did you compute that angle?
 
Dhamnekar Winod said:
Hello,
How did you compute that angle?

I used right triangle trigonometry.
 
skeeter said:
I used right triangle trigonometry.
Hello,
That means force exerted by the ride on the rider can't be more than $3mg_r$
 
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Dhamnekar Winod said:
Hello,
That means force exerted by the ride on the rider can't be more than $3mg_r$

That's right ... as I stated in post #6, if the angle the ship makes with the vertical at its highest position is 60 degrees, then the normal force exerted on the rider is $2mg$.

You still haven't posted the original problem or any related diagram as I requested earlier in this thread. Please do so or this will be my final response.
 
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skeeter said:
That's right ... as I stated in post #6, if the angle the ship makes with the vertical at its highest position is 60 degrees, then the normal force exerted on the rider is $2mg$.

You still haven't posted the original problem or any related diagram as I requested earlier in this thread. Please do so or this will be my final response.
Hello,
There is no diagram in the original question. Otherwise, I would have reproduced it here. Thanks for your response.
 

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