Centripetal vs Radial acceleration

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of centripetal and radial acceleration, particularly focusing on their definitions, signs, and the implications of these definitions in different contexts. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings and conventions associated with these types of acceleration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the relationship between radial acceleration (a_r) and centripetal acceleration (a_c), noting that the book states a_c = v^2/r and a_r = -a_c, and seeks clarification on the negative sign.
  • Another participant explains that the radial component of a vector points away from the origin, suggesting that the sign difference is a matter of convention, with centripetal acceleration being directed towards the center.
  • A third participant adds that centripetal acceleration is defined as always positive when an object follows a curved path, while radial acceleration can be positive or negative depending on the direction of the acceleration vector.
  • One example provided involves two electrons moving towards each other, where the radial component of acceleration is positive due to the repulsive force between like charges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the signs associated with radial and centripetal acceleration. There is no consensus on whether the negative sign in the relationship between a_r and a_c is necessary or merely a matter of convention.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the definitions and conventions of acceleration types, particularly in relation to coordinate systems and the nature of forces involved.

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I am reading introductory physics from Serway. Where they say if a_r is radial acceleration and a_c is centripetal acceleration then a_c = v^2/r and a_r = -a_c = - v^2/r
But aren't the radial and centripetal acceleration same (correct me if I am wrong)? Why is there a minus sign?
The book explains by saying that the negative sign indicates that the direction of centripetal acceleration is towards the center of the circle representing the radius of curvature..
I don't understand this explanation because as the direction of the radial acceleration is also towards the center, shouldn't it be a_{radial} = a_{centripetal} ? Why the minus sign?
Would someone please clarify?
 
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Do you know what spherical coordinates are? The radial component of a vector is the projection of that vector onto the radial unit vector. That vector points away from the origin. Thus the radial component of acceleration is positive if the acceleration vector is pointing away from the origin.

Centripetal acceleration is acceleration toward the center.

It's just a sign convention, nothing else.
 
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Thank you.
 
The term centripetal acceleration applies only when an object is following a curved path, and by definition the centripetal acceleration is always positive. On the other hand acceleration can have a positive or negative radial component. Consider two electrons moving toward another, for example, with the origin at the center of mass. The radial component of acceleration will be positive because like charges repel.
 
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