Challenges in Proving Continuity: Three Problems to Tackle

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The discussion revolves around proving continuity properties of functions through three distinct problems. The subject area includes concepts from real analysis, particularly focusing on limits, continuity, and the Intermediate Value Theorem.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the implications of limits in the first problem and the application of the Intermediate Value Theorem, questioning the relationship between limits and function values. There is uncertainty about how to start the second problem, with some suggesting the use of limit definitions. The third problem prompts a proof by contradiction approach, with participants exploring the implications of continuous functions on closed intervals.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the relationships between limits and function behavior, while others are exploring various approaches to the problems without reaching a consensus. The discussion remains open, with multiple interpretations and strategies being considered.

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Participants note the constraints of the problems, such as the requirement for continuity and the specific conditions under which the functions operate. There is also mention of the need to show monotonicity in the second problem for certain conclusions to hold.

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Homework Statement



1- Let f be a continuous function for all real numbers such that :

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow+\infty}f(x)=L[/tex] and [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow-\infty}f(x)=L'[/tex]

and that LL'≤0. Prove that f equals 0 at some point C in ℝ.

2- Let f be a continuous function on [a,b] such that for every (x,x') in ([a,b])^2 and x≠x:

[tex]|f(x)-f(x')|<k|x-x'|[/tex] .Prove that the equation f(x)=x has only one solution on [a,b].

3-Let f and g be continuous functions on [0,1] such that for every x in [0,1]: f(x)<g(x).

Prove that there exists a number m>0 such that for every x in [0,1]: f(x)+m<g(x).


The Attempt at a Solution



1- I know that since LL'<0 so that means that L>L' or L<L' . So the Intermediate value theorem states that there exists a number c such that f(c)=0, but i know how I'm going to show that.

2-I think I am supposed to use the definition of a limit to solve it but i don't know where to start.

3- I have no idea how to start this one. Any help would be very appreciated.
 
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mtayab1994 said:

Homework Statement



1- Let f be a continuous function for all real numbers such that :

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow+\infty}f(x)=L[/tex] and [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow-\infty}f(x)=L'[/tex]

and that LL'≤0. Prove that f equals 0 at some point C in ℝ.

2- Let f be a continuous function on [a,b] such that for every (x,x') in ([a,b])^2 and x≠x:

[tex]|f(x)-f(x')|<k|x-x'|[/tex] .Prove that the equation f(x)=x has only one solution on [a,b].

3-Let f and g be continuous functions on [0,1] such that for every x in [0,1]: f(x)<g(x).

Prove that there exists a number m>0 such that for every x in [0,1]: f(x)+m<g(x).


The Attempt at a Solution



1- I know that since LL'<0 so that means that L>L' or L<L' .
That is only saying "L is not equal to L'" which says nothing about their relation to 0. What you meant to say, I believe, was "either L> 0> L' or L'> 0> L".

So the Intermediate value theorem states that there exists a number c such that f(c)=0, but i know how I'm going to show that.
IF the intermediate theorem states that, then that would "show" it. But it doesn't. The intermediate value theorem says that if f(a)> 0 and f(b)< 0 there exist x between a and b such that f(x)= 0. What you are given are limits, not values of the function at specific points.

What you can say is that, because [itex]\lim_{x\to\infty} f(x)= L[/itex], if L> 0, there exist [itex]x_0[/itex] such that if [itex]x> x_0[/itex] then f(x)> L-1. Do the same with L' and x going to negative infinity.

2-I think I am supposed to use the definition of a limit to solve it but i don't know where to start.

3- I have no idea how to start this one. Any help would be very appreciated.
Take a guess and give it a try. See what you learn from trying.
 
HallsofIvy said:
That is only saying "L is not equal to L'" which says nothing about their relation to 0. What you meant to say, I believe, was "either L> 0> L' or L'> 0> L".


IF the intermediate theorem states that, then that would "show" it. But it doesn't. The intermediate value theorem says that if f(a)> 0 and f(b)< 0 there exist x between a and b such that f(x)= 0. What you are given are limits, not values of the function at specific points.

What you can say is that, because [itex]\lim_{x\to\infty} f(x)= L[/itex], if L> 0, there exist [itex]x_0[/itex] such that if [itex]x> x_0[/itex] then f(x)> L-1. Do the same with L' and x going to negative infinity.


Take a guess and give it a try. See what you learn from trying.

Ok for the negative infinity i can say that if L<0 then there exists x1 such that x>x1 then
f(x)>L-1. Right?
 
Okay for number 3 I did a proof by contradiction and I got:

Let h(x)=f(x)-g(x) and we know that since g(x)>f(x) then h(x)=f(x)-g(x)<0. Now we have to prove that h(x)<0 for all x in [0.1]. Suppose that there is a point C in [0,1] such that f(c)>g(c) implying that h(c)=f(c)-g(c)>0 and that's a contradiction because h(x)<0 for every x in [0,1]. But does this imply that f(x)+m<g(x) for every x in [0,1].
 
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For 3 use the fact that every continuous function attains both maximum and minimum values on a closed and bounded interval.
 
For number 2 i said that let g(x)=f(x)-x be a continuous function on the interval I=[a,b] as a difference of 2 continuous equations. and for every x in I f(x) is also in I.


And f(I)=[m,M] so therefore f(a) is in I and f(b) is in I.

That implies that m≤f(a)≤M and m≤f(b)≤M and that implies that f(a)-m≥0 and f(b)-M≤0 and that implies that f(a)*f(b)≤0.

Hence the IVT states that there exists an x in I such that f(x)=x . But i think that i have to show that f is monotone increasing or monotone decreasing for this proof to hold. Am I correct??
 

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