Challenges in Proving Zeros of Zeta Function: Lack of Tools or Creativity?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges in proving the Riemann Hypothesis, specifically regarding the nature of the zeros of the Riemann Zeta function and the progress made in related conjectures like Goldbach's. Participants explore whether the difficulties stem from a lack of tools, creativity, or both, and compare these problems to others in mathematics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question what makes it difficult to prove that all zeros of the Riemann Zeta function have a real part of 1/2, suggesting it could be due to a lack of discoveries or creativity.
  • There is mention of progress on the Riemann Hypothesis and Goldbach's conjecture, with claims that the weak version of Goldbach's has nearly been proved.
  • One participant contrasts the Riemann Hypothesis and Goldbach's conjecture with the Collatz conjecture, suggesting that the latter lacks the necessary tools for progress.
  • Another participant inquires about the consequences of proving the Riemann Hypothesis, highlighting the importance of Schoenfeld's tight bound on pi(x).
  • Concerns are raised about the notion of "great progress," with questions about specific stumbling blocks or properties that complicate the Riemann Hypothesis.
  • A participant outlines the steps of progress made towards the Riemann Hypothesis, including proving that all nontrivial zeros lie on the critical strip and that infinitely many are on the critical line.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the challenges faced in proving the Riemann Hypothesis and Goldbach's conjecture. While some acknowledge progress, others question the extent and nature of that progress, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants reference various mathematical concepts and theorems, such as elliptic curves and Schoenfeld's bounds, without fully resolving the implications or dependencies of these ideas on the main discussion.

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What about the Riemann Zeta function makes it so difficult to prove that all the zeros have real part 1/2? Is it that we lack the discoveries and tools necessary, or we just aren't creative enough, or maybe both? Same question for Goldbach's. Fermat's seemed to rely on elliptic curves which have really only been invented/discovered rather recently in relation the time the problem was posed.
 
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jacksonwalter said:
What about the Riemann Zeta function makes it so difficult to prove that all the zeros have real part 1/2? Is it that we lack the discoveries and tools necessary, or we just aren't creative enough, or maybe both? Same question for Goldbach's. Fermat's seemed to rely on elliptic curves which have really only been invented/discovered rather recently in relation the time the problem was posed.

We're making progress on the Riemann hypothesis, but there's still a lot of work to go. Similarly, Goldbach's conjecture has had great progress -- we've nearly proved the weak version (only finitely many verifications to go!).

In that sense they're unlike the Collatz conjecture where we appear to lack the tools to attack the problem.
 
Re: Goldbach, do you mean Chen-Jing Run's theorem?
 
CRGreathouse said:
We're making progress on the Riemann hypothesis, but there's still a lot of work to go. Similarly, Goldbach's conjecture has had great progress -- we've nearly proved the weak version (only finitely many verifications to go!).

In that sense they're unlike the Collatz conjecture where we appear to lack the tools to attack the problem.

Sweet, thanks.

So what consequences will occur as a result of proving the Riemann Hypothesis?
 
jacksonwalter said:
So what consequences will occur as a result of proving the Riemann Hypothesis?

There are many, but the most important one to me is the tight bound on pi(x) due to Schoenfeld.
 
CRGreathouse said:
There are many, but the most important one to me is the tight bound on pi(x) due to Schoenfeld.

So what exactly do you mean by us having made great progress? It's hard to see how you can 'almost' have proved something. Are there any specific stumbling blocks or general properties of the Riemann Hypothesis that make it in particular especially difficult to solve?
 
jacksonwalter said:
So what exactly do you mean by us having made great progress?

First we proved that all nontrivial zeros were on the critical strip, then that they were all on the strict critical strip (none on the 'edges'), then that infinitely many were on the critical line, then that a positive fraction were on the critical line.

There are others things, of course, but that's the main thrust of progress.
 

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