Change in atmopheric pressure with height (Thermodynamics)

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The discussion revolves around the change in atmospheric pressure with height in the context of thermodynamics, specifically considering Earth's atmosphere as an ideal gas in a gravitational field. The original poster presents a mathematical expression relating pressure, height, and other variables, seeking assistance in deriving the change of pressure with height.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between force and pressure, the ideal gas law, and the derivation of expressions for pressure and density. There are attempts to connect various equations and clarify notations related to the mass of the air column and molecular weight. Some participants also explore the implications of adiabatic expansion on the pressure and temperature relationship.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications on the relationships between variables. There is an exploration of different equations and concepts, such as adiabatic processes, but no consensus has been reached on the derivation of the desired expressions.

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Participants are navigating through complex relationships and assumptions, including the definitions of variables like mass of the air column and molecular weight. There is an indication of confusion regarding notations and the need for further clarification on certain concepts.

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Homework Statement



Think of Earth's atmosphere as an ideal gas of molecular weight \mu in a uniform gravitational field. Let g denote the acceleration due to gravity.

If z denotes the height above the sea level, show that the change of atmospheric pressure p with height is given by

dp/dz = p(\left(-\mug/RT)

where,
dp = change in pressure
dz = change in height
\mu = molecular weight
R = Universal gas constant
T = temperature

Homework Equations



1) F = mg
2) P = F/A
3) PV = nRT

The Attempt at a Solution



With the relation between force and pressure, I derived an expression of p in terms of m and g. Using the ideal gas law, i obtained another equation for p. I am lost in my attempt to derive dp/dz. Please help.

Thank in advance,
Priam
 
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Gas equation is given by pV = nRT, where is the number of mole.
n is given by [mass of the air column (ma) on unit area]/mu.
Hence pV = [(ma)/(mu)]RT ...(1)
Now p = rho*g*z...(2)
and dp/dz = rho*g...(3)
From equation (1) find the expression for rho and substitute in eq. (3)
 
thank rl.bhat!

but the notations are confusing.
n = (ma)/(mu)
so ma is the mass of air column ? Can you explain a bit further please ?
 
ma is the mas of the air column on unit area, mu is the molecular weight of air.
So number of mole = n = ma/mu.
 
figured i have to derive yet another expression. This time I have to assume an adiabatic expansion and show

dp/p = {\gamma/(\gamma-1)}{dT/T}

i.e.

dp/dT = {\gamma/(\gamma-1)} {p/T}


My idea:

since it is an adiabatic expansion, i have
pz(\gamma-1) / T(Z)\gamma = constant

I used it and tried to cook the needed expression, but i got lost.
 
For adiabatic expression pV^gamma = K
You replace V by nR(T/p)
So p(nRT/p)^gamma = k or
p(T/p)^gamma = K'
i.e. T^gamma*p^(1-gamma) = K.
Take the differentiation and simplify.
 
How would you derive the hydrostatic equation in spherical polars?

Thanks
 

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