Change in Gravity Affecting Free Fall

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of changing gravity on free fall, particularly in the context of objects falling from space. Participants explore the mathematical modeling of distance fallen as a function of time and initial height, while considering the implications of varying gravitational force with distance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the standard equation for distance fallen, x = v0t + 1/2gt², is based on constant acceleration due to gravity, which may not hold true for large distances where gravity changes significantly.
  • Another participant discusses the derivation of gravitational force using Fg = Gm1m2/r² and suggests that acceleration due to gravity can be expressed as g = Gm/r², indicating that gravity increases as an object falls closer to Earth.
  • A participant attempts to derive a new equation for distance fallen that accounts for changing gravity but expresses difficulty with calculus and the integration process, suggesting that continuous compounding may be involved.
  • Responses include mathematical insights into integrating the equations of motion, with one participant providing a method for integrating the second derivative of position with respect to gravitational force.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the notation used for derivatives, with participants explaining that r' denotes the first derivative and r'' the second derivative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to derive the desired equation, and there is ongoing uncertainty regarding the integration process and the implications of changing gravity on free fall.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumption of ignoring air resistance and the complexity of integrating equations that involve variable gravitational force, which may not yield results in terms of ordinary functions.

kaikalii
Messages
17
Reaction score
0
In high school physics, which I am in, we learn that to find the distance that and object falls can be found with the equation, x=v0t+1/2gt2. We also learn that the force of gravity between two objects can be found by Fg=Gm1m2/r2 and thus acceleration due to gravity can be derived to be g=Gm/r2

This is all well and good on a small scale, but on a large scale, such as something falling from space, the difference in gravity due to change in distance between the objects is too large to be negligible. As an object falls, the force of gravity, and by extension, its acceleration, increases exponentially.

I have tried to derive an equation that gives the distance that an object will fall (to Earth) as a function of time and initial height, ignoring air resistance, using the equations above, but my knowledge of calculus is only so great, and I keep getting stuck not knowing which variable to solve for or use. I am sure that there is an e in there somewhere as continuous compounding would be needed, but I'm not sure.

Could someone please give me an equation that meets these specifications, and if possible, a step-by-step derivation of said equation?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
welcome to pf!

hi kaikalii! welcome to pf! :smile:

x=v0t+1/2gt2 comes from x'' = g, which we integrate once to get x' = gt + constant, and again to get x = gt2/2 + (constant)t + constant

if instead we use r'' = -Gm/r2, we multiply both sides by r' to get r'r'' = -Gmr'/r2, integrate that to get 1/2(r')2 = Gm/r + constant, or r'/√(Gm/r + constant) = √2 … i don't think that has an integral in terms of ordinary functions :redface:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi kaikalii! welcome to pf! :smile:

x=v0t+1/2gt2 comes from x'' = g, which we integrate once to get x' = gt + constant, and again to get x = gt2/2 + (constant)t + constant

if instead we use r'' = -Gm/r2, we multiply both sides by r' to get r'r'' = -Gmr'/r2, integrate that to get 1/2(r')2 = Gm/r + constant, or r'/√(Gm/r + constant) = √2 … i don't think that has an integral in terms of ordinary functions :redface:

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the notation: ' that you are using. Does r' mean "r prime" or "the derivative of r"? If it is the later, then does r'' mean "the derivative of the derivative of r"?
 
hi kaikalii! :smile:

(just got up :zzz:)

' means derivative, and '' means derivative of derivative (and so on)

r' and r'' are a lot easier to write, and "r-dash" and "r-double-dash" are a lot easier to say (than dr/dt and …) :wink:
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 30 ·
2
Replies
30
Views
6K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K