Change in internal energy of an inelastic collision.

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The problem involves an inelastic collision between a car and a truck, where both vehicles stick together after the collision. The scenario includes the masses and velocities of both vehicles before the collision, and the goal is to determine the change in internal energy resulting from the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the change in internal energy using the change in kinetic energy of the system. They express concern about not obtaining the correct answer and are uncertain about their approach.
  • Some participants question the use of vector notation for kinetic energy calculations, suggesting that kinetic energy should be treated as a scalar quantity.
  • There is a suggestion to calculate the magnitudes of the velocities before proceeding with the kinetic energy calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the correct approach to calculating kinetic energy and addressing potential misunderstandings regarding vector versus scalar quantities. Guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of kinetic energy, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method to resolve the original poster's issue.

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The problem is framed within the context of homework, which may impose certain constraints on the methods or approaches that can be used. The original poster's calculations and assumptions are under scrutiny, particularly regarding the treatment of kinetic energy and the use of vector notation.

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Homework Statement



A car of mass 2200 kg collides with a truck of mass 4500 kg, and just after the collision the car and truck slide along, stuck together, with no rotation. The car's velocity just before the collision was < 35, 0, 0 > m/s, and the truck's velocity just before the collision was < -18, 0, 27 > m/s.

Homework Equations


Pf=Pi+F*time
Ef=Ei+Q+W

The Attempt at a Solution


I attempted to use the change in kinetic energy of the system to solve of the change in internal energy.

Ef=.5*m*v2
Ef=.5*6700*<-.597,0,18.134>2 <-- final velocity of the system was calculated in an earlier step and found to be correct
Ef,sys=<1194,0,1101620>

Ei,car=.5*2200*<35,0,0>2
=<1347500,0,0>
Ei,truck=.5*4500*<-18,0,27>2
=<72900,0,1640250
EI,sys=Ei,car+Ei,truck
= <1420400,0,1640250>

I then found the change in energy by Ef,sys-Ei,sys and then getting the magnitude to solve get change in internal energy. This however did not get me the correct answer. I am stuck and not sure what to try.
 
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flyboy9 said:
Ef=.5*m*v2
Ef=.5*6700*<-.597,0,18.134>2 <-- final velocity of the system was calculated in an earlier step and found to be correct
Ef,sys=<1194,0,1101620>

Ei,car=.5*2200*<35,0,0>2
=<1347500,0,0>
Ei,truck=.5*4500*<-18,0,27>2
=<72900,0,1640250
EI,sys=Ei,car+Ei,truck
= <1420400,0,1640250>
Looks like you're using vector notation to express the energy. KE is a scalar, not a vector--it has no components. Use the full speed when calculating KE.
 
so would I calculate the magnitudes of the velocities first?
 
flyboy9 said:
so would I calculate the magnitudes of the velocities first?
Yes.
 

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