Change of Basis With Orbital Angular Momentum

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The discussion revolves around a problem in quantum mechanics concerning the change of basis for orbital angular momentum states. The original poster presents the initial state in the x basis and seeks to find its representation in the z basis, referencing the use of an eigenvalue equation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the Lx operator to change the basis but expresses uncertainty about the steps needed. They note that their application yields only one column vector instead of the expected three. They also explore the eigenvalues of the Lx operator but find this approach unproductive. Other participants suggest considering the effects of raising and lowering operators on eigenstates of Lz and propose writing the state as a linear combination of basis states.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring different approaches to the problem, with some providing insights into the relationships between the operators and the basis states. There is a recognition of the need to express the state in terms of a linear combination, but no consensus has been reached on the final method or solution.

Contextual Notes

The problem involves a specific quantum state and the application of angular momentum operators, with constraints related to the representation of states in different bases. The original poster's attempts indicate a potential misunderstanding of the operator's application and the expected outcomes.

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Homework Statement


We have the initial orbital angular momentum state in the x basis as |l,ml>x=|1,1>x. We are asked to find the column vector in the z-basis that represents the initial orbital angular momentum of the above state. It then says "hint: use an eigenvalue equation".

Homework Equations


I feel like this is a simple change of basis from the x basis to the z basis with the Lx operator. However, I am not convinced this is quite the steps I need to take.

The Attempt at a Solution


To start I applied the Lx operator (the 3x3 operator that I think is responsible for changing basis) it is equal to half the angular momentum ladder operators added with each other. This only gives me one column vector where there should be 3, I think, since there should be some probability with each value of the quantum number m possible for the z component.

Another attempt was to try to find the eigenvalues of the Lx operator and to apply the 3 eigenvalues found as the probability to each vector but this didn't pan out so well. So here I am wondering how I might approach this problem in a different way. Any idea is appreciated.
 
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tristan3214 said:

Homework Statement


We have the initial orbital angular momentum state in the x basis as |l,ml>x=|1,1>x. We are asked to find the column vector in the z-basis that represents the initial orbital angular momentum of the above state. It then says "hint: use an eigenvalue equation".

Homework Equations


I feel like this is a simple change of basis from the x basis to the z basis with the Lx operator. However, I am not convinced this is quite the steps I need to take.

The Attempt at a Solution


To start I applied the Lx operator (the 3x3 operator that I think is responsible for changing basis) it is equal to half the angular momentum ladder operators added with each other. This only gives me one column vector where there should be 3, I think, since there should be some probability with each value of the quantum number m possible for the z component.

Another attempt was to try to find the eigenvalues of the Lx operator and to apply the 3 eigenvalues found as the probability to each vector but this didn't pan out so well. So here I am wondering how I might approach this problem in a different way. Any idea is appreciated.

You're on the right track. In terms of raising and lowering operators,
L_x = \frac{1}{2}(L_{+} + L_{-})

The effect of the raising and lowering operators on eigenstates of L_z are:
L_{+} |\mathcal{l}, m \rangle = \sqrt{\mathcal{l}(\mathcal{l}+1) - m(m+1)} |\mathcal{l}, m+1 \rangle
L_{-} |\mathcal{l}, m \rangle = \sqrt{\mathcal{l}(\mathcal{l}+1) - m(m-1)} |\mathcal{l}, m-1 \rangle

So the effect of L_x on eigenstates of L_z is:
L_x |\mathcal{l}, m \rangle
= \frac{1}{2} (\sqrt{\mathcal{l}(\mathcal{l}+1) - m(m+1)} |\mathcal{l}, m+1 \rangle + \sqrt{\mathcal{l}(\mathcal{l}+1) - m(m-1)} |\mathcal{l}, m-1 \rangle)

In the case l=1, we have 3 equations:
  1. L_{x} |1, -1\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}|1,0\rangle
  2. L_{x} |1,0\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|1,1\rangle + |1,-1\rangle)
  3. L_{x} |1,1\rangle =\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}|1,0\rangle

So if you assume that |\psi\rangle is an eigenstate of L_x with eigenvalue +1, then write:
|\psi\rangle = \alpha |1,-1\rangle + \beta |1,0\rangle + \gamma |1,1\rangle] and see what \alpha, \beta and \gamma have to be so that L_{x} |\psi\rangle = +1 |\psi\rangle
 
In terms of matrices, if you represent |1, -1\rangle, |1,0\rangle, and |1,1\rangle[/itex] as
\left(\begin{array} \\ 0 \\ 0 \\ 1 \end{array} \right), \left(\begin{array} \\ 0 \\ 1 \\ 0 \end{array} \right) and \left(\begin{array} \\ 1 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{array} \right)

then L_x can be represented as:

\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left(\begin{array} \\ 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 1 & 0 & 1 \\ 0 &1& 0 \end{array} \right)

Then the problem becomes a matrix problem:

\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left(\begin{array} \\ 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 1 & 0 & 1 \\ 0 &1& 0 \end{array} \right) \left(\begin{array} \\ \alpha \\ \beta \\ \gamma \end{array} \right)= \left(\begin{array} \\ \alpha \\ \beta \\ \gamma \end{array} \right)
 
Thanks that makes a lot of sense that you would act on an unknown matrix to then equal the eigenvalue times that same unknown matrix. Then we can go and expand it out into a linear combination.
 

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