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The discussion revolves around the change of variables in the context of differential cross sections for a Bremsstrahlung process that produces axions instead of photons. Participants seek clarification on how to correctly reverse the change of variables from a differential in the ratio of axion energy to electron energy to a differential in axion energy itself.

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  • One participant presents a method for reversing the change of variables, suggesting that the differential cross section can be expressed as a function of axion energy using the substitution of variables.
  • Another participant agrees with the approach but points out a contradiction in the equations presented, indicating that both axion and electron energies are variables, not constants.
  • A third participant requests citation details for the referenced paper, indicating a lack of access to it.
  • Further clarification is sought on the correct process to express the cross section as a differential in axion energy, with one participant providing a specific form of the cross section and expressing uncertainty about the change of variables.

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Participants express differing views on the treatment of the energies as constants versus variables, leading to conflicting interpretations of the change of variables. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct method to express the cross section in terms of axion energy.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the constancy of energies, and the mathematical steps involved in the change of variables have not been fully resolved.

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Hi all,
I am looking for clarification on what is probably a pretty basic change of variables between a few lines in the following paper:

https://journals.aps.org/prd/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevD.34.1326

Equation (9) shows the differential cross section for a Bremsstrahlung process which creates an axion instead of a photon, the cross section is expressed as a differential in ##x## where ##x=E_a/E_e##, the ratio of the emitted axion energy to initial electron energy. Between Equation (8) and (9) a change of variables takes place such that ##\frac{d\sigma}{d E_a} \rightarrow \frac{d\sigma}{d x}##. What is the correct process to reverse this change of variable so that I have the cross section expressed as differential in axion energy ##E_a##? I infer that the author must have done the following substitution (I express the particular algebraic form of the cross section as ##f## for brevity):

$$ \frac{d\sigma}{d E_a} = f(E_a/E_e) = f(x)$$
$$\frac{d\sigma}{d x} = \frac{d\sigma}{d E_a}\cdot \frac{dE_a}{dx} = f(x)* E_e$$

If this is correct, then to reverse the change of variables we have:

$$\frac{d\sigma}{d E_a} = \frac{d\sigma}{d x}*\frac{dx}{dE_a}=f(E_a/E_e)\frac{1}{E_e}$$

Or have I missed something?
 
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Milsomonk said:
Hi all,
I am looking for clarification on what is probably a pretty basic change of variables between a few lines in the following paper:

https://journals.aps.org/prd/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevD.34.1326
I'm not able to access that paper.
Milsomonk said:
Equation (9) shows the differential cross section for a Bremsstrahlung process which creates an axion instead of a photon, the cross section is expressed as a differential in ##x## where ##x=E_a/E_e##, the ratio of the emitted axion energy to initial electron energy. Between Equation (8) and (9) a change of variables takes place such that ##\frac{d\sigma}{d E_a} \rightarrow \frac{d\sigma}{d x}##. What is the correct process to reverse this change of variable so that I have the cross section expressed as differential in axion energy ##E_a##? I infer that the author must have done the following substitution (I express the particular algebraic form of the cross section as ##f## for brevity):

$$ \frac{d\sigma}{d E_a} = f(E_a/E_e) = f(x)$$
$$\frac{d\sigma}{d x} = \frac{d\sigma}{d E_a}\cdot \frac{dE_a}{dx} = f(x)* E_e$$
Assuming ##E_e## is a constant, then that should be straightforward.
Milsomonk said:
If this is correct, then to reverse the change of variables we have:

$$\frac{d\sigma}{d E_a} = \frac{d\sigma}{d x}*\frac{dx}{dE_a}=f(E_a/E_e)\frac{1}{E_e}$$
This contradicts the previous equations. Instead:
$$\frac{d\sigma}{d E_a} = \frac{d\sigma}{d x}*\frac{dx}{dE_a}=f(E_a/E_e) E_e\frac{1}{E_e} = f(E_a/E_e)$$
 
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I think that I have seen this question before, but I could not find my post. Could you at least cite the paper (Author, title, etc.)?
 
PeroK said:
I'm not able to access that paper.

Assuming ##E_e## is a constant, then that should be straightforward.

This contradicts the previous equations. Instead:
$$\frac{d\sigma}{d E_a} = \frac{d\sigma}{d x}*\frac{dx}{dE_a}=f(E_a/E_e) E_e\frac{1}{E_e} = f(E_a/E_e)$$

Thanks for your response, both ##E_e## and ##E_a## are variables, not constant.
 
fresh_42 said:
I think that I have seen this question before, but I could not find my post. Could you at least cite the paper (Author, title, etc.)?

The paper is "Axion Bremsstrahlung by an electron beam" - Yung Su Tsai (1986)
 
I have got a stage where I have a cross section of the form:

$$ \frac{d\sigma}{dx} = A\cdot x$$

Where ##x=\frac{E_a}{E_e}##, ##E_a## and ##E_e## are both variables, ##A## is a constant and I wish to express the cross section as ##\frac{d\sigma}{d E_a}##. But I am not sure how to do this change of variables correctly.
 

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