Change of Variables in Nonlinear DE: Am I Making a Mistake?

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The discussion revolves around a nonlinear differential equation (DE) given by dy/dx = (y-x)^2 + 1. Participants are examining a proposed change of variables, specifically u=x and v=y-x, and its effect on transforming the DE into a separable form.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are questioning the correctness of the transformation and whether the resulting expression for dv/du accurately reflects the original DE. There are discussions about the differentiation process and the handling of variables during substitution.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and alternative perspectives on the transformation process. Some have suggested different approaches to the substitution, while others express confusion about the steps involved. No consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the differentiation of the new variables and the implications of the substitution. Participants are also reflecting on the necessity and utility of the change of variables in this context.

JasonJo
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Am I insane or is this a typo:

Consider the nonlinear DE

dy/dx = (y-x)^2 + 1

Show that the change of variables, u=x, v = y-x transforms this DE into the seperable DE: dv/du = v^2

dv = dy
du=dx
dv/du = dy/dx = (y-x)^2 + 1 = v^2 + 1

not v^2

am i wrong ?
 
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In your expression for dv, where did dx go??
it should be dv = dy - dx


or you could have just differentiated v wrt x
taht is dv/dx which is the same as dv/du because of the way u is defined.
 
ok so dv/dx = -1, so dv/du = -1. so dv/du = -1(dy/dx), which is:

-1 - (y-x)^2 or -1 - v^2

i got that dv/du = dy/dx = (y-x)^2 + 1, but i can't get that dv/du = v^2 by itself.
 
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JasonJo said:
ok so dv/dx = -1 , so dv/du = -1. so dv/du = -1(dy/dx), which is:

-1 - (y-x)^2 or -1 - v^2

i got that dv/du = dy/dx = (y-x)^2 + 1, but i can't get that dv/du = v^2 by itself.

ok this time you went and eliminated the y

this is what it should be
[tex]\frac{dv}{du} = \frac{dv}{dx} = \frac{dy}{dx} - \frac{dx}{dx} = \frac{dy}{dx} - 1[/tex]
v and y are both funcions of x, so when you differentiate eitehr you get dv/dx and dy/dx.
 
I can't see the point of doing the u-substitution.

Just define [tex]v(x)=y(x)-x\to{y}(x)=v(x)+x\to\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{dv}{dx}+1[/tex]

A simple substitution then yields:
[tex]\frac{dv}{dx}=v^{2}[/tex]
 
ahhhh!

thank you guys so much!
 

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