Change of variables to polar coordinates

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The discussion focuses on the challenges of changing variables to polar coordinates when dealing with complex transformation equations. The user is attempting to convert the partial derivative f_x(x,y) into polar coordinates using the relationships θ = Arctan(y/x) and r = x^2 + y^2. They express their concerns about the old variables not disappearing during differentiation and seek clarity on the correct substitution process. Another participant points out that the user’s terms are missing a factor of r, suggesting that the correct substitutions should include r in the expressions for x and y. The conversation highlights the intricacies of applying the chain rule in polar coordinates, especially when transitioning from Cartesian coordinates.
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I thought I grasped coordinate changes well, but now I've run into some problems. Usually I would have some function f(x,y) and transformation equations like s = a*x+b*y. I would apply chain rule and stayed left with new equations in new variables. (old ones get away through differentiation).

My question is, what if are transformation equations more complex and old variables don't fade out? More specificaly, how can I convert f_x(x,y) to polar coordinates ?

my attempt:

\theta = Arctan(y/x)
r = x^2+y^2
\phi(r,theta) = f(x,y)
\phi_x = \phi_rr_x + \phi_\theta\theta_x
\phi_x = \phi_rx\sqrt{x^2+y^2} + \phi_\theta(\frac{y}{x^2+y^2})
now I got the idea to solve for x and y in trans. equations and substitute, but I'm not sure
\phi_x = rcos(\theta)\phi_r + \frac{sin(\theta)}{r^2}\phi_\theta
 
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Defconist said:
I thought I grasped coordinate changes well, but now I've run into some problems. Usually I would have some function f(x,y) and transformation equations like s = a*x+b*y. I would apply chain rule and stayed left with new equations in new variables. (old ones get away through differentiation).

My question is, what if are transformation equations more complex and old variables don't fade out? More specificaly, how can I convert f_x(x,y) to polar coordinates ?

my attempt:

\theta = Arctan(y/x)
r = x^2+y^2
\phi(r,theta) = f(x,y)
\phi_x = \phi_rr_x + \phi_\theta\theta_x
\phi_x = \phi_rx\sqrt{x^2+y^2} + \phi_\theta(\frac{y}{x^2+y^2})
now I got the idea to solve for x and y in trans. equations and substitute, but I'm not sure
\phi_x = rcos(\theta)\phi_r + \frac{sin(\theta)}{r^2}\phi_\theta

x= r cos(\theta) and y= r sin(\theta) so your terms are missing a factor of r;
x\sqrt{x^2+ y^2}= (r cos(\theta))r= r^2 cos(\theta)
and
\frac{y}{x^2+ y^2}= \frac{ r sin(\theta)}{r^2}= \frac{sin(\theta)}{r}
but that's the right way to proceed.
 
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Thanks, I've been sudying PDE's few days in a row and I'm really getting tired..I should take a break and yet I can't, it's so interesting..
 

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