(Changing) Limits of a Summation

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation and manipulation of summation notation, specifically the expression ##\sum_{i=k}^m a_i##. Participants are exploring the meaning of the summation symbol and the implications of changing indices within the summation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are questioning the meaning of the summation symbol and its components, including the indices and the terms being summed. There are attempts to rewrite the summation using different indices and to clarify the relationship between the terms.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and suggestions for rewriting the summation. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express the summation in different forms, but no consensus has been reached on a final interpretation.

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Some participants note changes in variable names from the original problem statement, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. There is also mention of ensuring that the indices are correctly represented in the rewritten summation expressions.

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Good afternoon 😃 Can someone explain to me how to change the bounds of summation using this example please?
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What does ##\sum_{i=k}^m a_i## stand for?
 
Try ##j = i - m + p##.
 
fresh_42 said:
What does ##\sum_{i=k}^m a_i## stand for?
i stands for the positive integer , ai stands for a unique number and m and n are positive integers with m being greater or equal to n.
 
martina1075 said:
i stands for the positive integer , ai stands for a unique number and m and n are positive integers with m being greater or equal to n.
No, that's what the "numbers" mean. But what is the abbreviation ##\sum## for?
 
Write both sides out with the definition of the summation symbol. Shouldn't be too hard to see thay are the same.
 
martina1075 said:
fresh_42 said:
What does ##\sum_{i=k}^m a_i## stand for?
i stands for the positive integer , ai stands for a unique number and m and n are positive integers with m being greater or equal to n.
(Notice that fresh has changed some of the variables from those in the problem statement.)

Think of what @fresh_42 was getting at more like:
##\displaystyle \sum_{i=m}^n a_i## stands for:
##a_{m} + a_{m+1} + a_{m+2} + ... + a_{n-1} + a_{n} ##​

In words, sum the ##a_i ## values, where ##i## takes on values from ##m## through ##n##.

With this in mind, do a similar translation for the right hand side. It may help to use an index other than ##i##, initially.

##\displaystyle \sum_{j=p}^{p+n-m} a_{j+m-p}##

Plug ##p## in for ##j## to get the index for the first term in the sum, then plug ##p+n-m## in for ##j## to get the index for the final term.

(Added in Edit: Fixed summation per @archaic's comment in the next post.)
 
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SammyS said:
(Notice that fresh has changed some of the variables from those in the problem statement.)

Think of what @fresh_42 was getting at more like:
##\displaystyle \sum_{i=m}^n a_i## stands for:
##a_{m} + a_{m+1} + a_{m+2} + ... + a_{n-1} + a_{n} ##​

In words, sum the ##a_i ## values, where ##i## takes on values from ##m## through ##n##.

With this in mind, do a similar translation for the right hand side. It may help to use an index other than ##i##, initially.

##\displaystyle \sum_{i=p}^{p+n-m} a_{j+m-p}##

Plug ##p## in for ##j## to get the index for the first term in the sum, then plug ##p+n-m## in for ##j## to get the index for the final term.
You forgot to change ##i## to ##j## in the second symbol :)
 
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