Charge Conservation in Plasma Physics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conservation of charge in the context of plasma physics, specifically focusing on a model involving a laser interacting with a charge neutral plasma. Participants explore the implications of local and global charge conservation laws, the effects of electron beam generation, and the role of positive ions in a simplified one-dimensional model.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a model where a laser promotes electrons in a plasma to form a high-energy electron beam, raising concerns about charge conservation.
  • Another participant distinguishes between local charge conservation (which is strictly obeyed) and global charge conservation, suggesting that the latter could appear violated in certain reference frames due to observer-dependent simultaneity.
  • A participant questions the validity of creating a delta function of positive charge, suggesting it leads to unphysical effects.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of not injecting electrons into the system, as this could lead to a non-zero charge in the electron beam.
  • One participant suggests that the presence of ions, which are left behind when electrons are stripped, should be considered in the model.
  • Another participant inquires about incorporating positive ions into their one-dimensional model and whether the current model is too simplistic to account for these ions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of charge conservation in their model, with no consensus reached on how to properly account for charge in the presence of the electron beam and positive ions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the current model, particularly regarding the treatment of positive ions and the assumptions made about charge conservation in a one-dimensional framework.

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I have been working with someone on plasma physics. We have a simple model of a laser hitting a charge neutral plasma. The laser promotes the electrons in the plasma into a high energy electron beam. We have been looking at the problem in 1D using the Lorentz force law, the conservation of number density and Ampere's law, these form a set of first order hyperbolic PDEs.

My colleague is concerned with conservation of charge, he says that as the plasma was initially charge neutral then the total charge (included in the electron beam) must remain zero. I thought that all we had to show was that:
[tex] \nabla\cdot\mathbf{J}+\frac{\partial\rho}{\partial t}=0[/tex]
He calculated
[tex] Q=\int_{0}^{\infty}\rho dx[/tex]
He wanted this to be zero. Is this right?
 
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The first equation is local charge conservation and is strictly obeyed. The second one is global charge conservation. Using the second equation would allow you to create a positive charge on one place and a negative charge someplace else. Since simultaneity is observer-dependent for widely separated points, charge conservation would appear to be violated in some reference frames.
 
He managed to creates a delta function of +ve charge at x=0, so the whole thing turns out to be zero, was this correct?
 
Is is not physical. Such charge creation will lead to unphysical effects like non-transverse radiation fields.
 
As we're not injecting any electron into the system the global charge should remain zero (this was his argument), If we calculate the charge in the electron beam produced my the laser then we get a non-zero answer.

What should we be doing?

Thanks for your help by the way.
 
Maybe you are forgetting the ions that are left behind when you strip off the electrons. Have you looked at say Francis Chen's textbook? He has a very good book on introductory plasma physics that starts with basic classical first principles. It may give you the examples that you are looking for in terms of how to apply the Lorentz force and charge conservation when it comes to a plasma.
 
We're only looking at a simple 1D model to start with, how would we incorporate the positive ions in our 1D model. The equations we're using for the 1D equations are the Lorentz equation:
[tex] \gamma^{3}(v)\Bigg(\frac{\partial v}{\partial t}+v\frac{\partial v}{\partial x}\Bigg)=-\frac{e}{m}E[/tex]
The continuity equation
[tex] \frac{\partial n}{\partial t}+\frac{\partial}{\partial x}(nv)=0[/tex]
And Ampere's law
[tex] \frac{\partial E}{\partial t}+a_{1}E+a_{2}nv=0[/tex]
Where the a_{i} are some constants defining the current in the plasma. Is there a way of dealing with the positive ions in this simple mode or do we have to give with the fact that this model is just too simplistic?

Mat
 

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