Charges on the vertex of a triangle

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The problem involves calculating the electric field at the third vertex of an equilateral triangle where two vertices have fixed positive point charges. The context is within electrostatics, focusing on the interactions of electric fields generated by point charges.

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  • Participants discuss the equilibrium of the system and the vector nature of electric fields. There are attempts to express the electric fields in terms of their components and questions about the necessity of resolving these components.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of a coordinate system and the need to consider vector components, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

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There is a mention of the problem being static and the assumption that the charges are fixed, which may influence the interpretation of equilibrium. Additionally, the original poster's assumption about equilibrium is questioned by others.

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Positive point-charges of +16.0 mC are fixed at two of the vertices of an equilateral triangle with sides of 1.30 m, located in vacuum. Determine the magnitude of the E-field at the third vertex.

so...all the particles are in equalibrum so that means F=ma=0

so if i call the third vertex c...Ea+Eb+Ec=0 so that means that Ea+Eb=-Ec

now i can write kqa/r^2+kqb/r^2=Ec and i just have to solve for Ec right?
 
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note that E-fields are vectorial quantities. Ie. they have a direction. in your case, two point charges at two different location each exerting a Force radially, will induce two different field vectors at the the third spot. These two vectors are not parallel and so need to take the angle in between into account to get the right answer.

btw, the question doesn't seem to mention anything about the system being in equilibrium, just asking you work out the resulant field at third spot
 
ummm...so do i have to find in they x and y compnents and all that sutff?
 
Rasine said:
Positive point-charges of +16.0 mC are fixed at two of the vertices of an equilateral triangle with sides of 1.30 m, located in vacuum. Determine the magnitude of the E-field at the third vertex.

so...all the particles are in equalibrum so that means F=ma=0

so if i call the third vertex c...Ea+Eb+Ec=0 so that means that Ea+Eb=-Ec

now i can write kqa/r^2+kqb/r^2=Ec and i just have to solve for Ec right?

Try defining your coordinate system so you can locate the two known charges at -0.65m and +0.65m on the x-axis and then place third vertex appropriately on the y axis. This has a nice benefit. Since your two charges are equal and of the same polarity, the x components of the E fields that they produce at the third vertex will exactly cancel. So, you just need to find the y components and add them. The kQa/r^2 and kQb/r^2 are the magnitudes of the two E vectors but don't forget - they are pointing in different directions so you need to compute the y components according to their angles' with the y axis.

Don't panic - it's simple trig - sketch the two vectors at the 3rd vertex point keeping in mind that the E field for each charge is defined in terms of the force per unit positive test charge; i.e. the force which would be produced on a positive unit charge placed at the point under consideration. For your case, each charge would repel a unit positive test charge - notice the direction each would be trying to repel it. They're NOT the same direction. So, as you can see (if you really sketched the situation), you must find the vector sum of the two E vectors which, in this case, ends up being just the sum of their y components.

BTW - this is a static problem - there's no motion involved. It's like an ideal, instantaneous snapshot just before any motion could take place.

jf
 

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