Charging a Capacitor: Battery & Conductor Effects

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of batteries and capacitors during the charging process, exploring the mechanisms behind charge movement and the resulting electric fields. Participants delve into the roles of conductors and the nature of charge transfer, with a focus on the interactions between the battery terminals and the capacitor plates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how the other conductor of a capacitor becomes negatively charged when a battery is connected.
  • Another participant explains that the battery moves electrons from one side of the capacitor to the other, causing charge separation.
  • Concerns are raised about the mechanism that prevents electrons from moving directly between the battery terminals, questioning how opposite charges are maintained.
  • A participant likens the battery's function to a pump, moving charges and preventing backflow, though the exact mechanism may vary by battery type.
  • It is emphasized that for every electron that leaves the negative terminal of the battery, one must enter the positive terminal, highlighting the concurrent nature of charge movement in the circuit.
  • Another participant asserts that the voltage source energizes the capacitor rather than charging it, noting that the net charge in a capacitor is always zero.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the charging process of capacitors and the role of batteries, with no clear consensus reached on the mechanisms involved or the terminology used.

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Some participants' statements depend on assumptions about ideal battery behavior and the nature of electric fields, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion includes different interpretations of how charge movement occurs and the implications of energy transfer in capacitors.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying electrical engineering, physics, or anyone seeking to understand the principles of capacitors and batteries in circuits.

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I need some clarification on batteries and capacitors.

Before a battery is connected to a capacitor, the capacitor is uncharged. When a battery is connected, an electron from one conductor moves toward the positive terminal of the battery, leaving this conductor positively charged. What causes the other conductor to become negatively charged? At this point, the positive terminal loses charge because it has an additional electron. The other conductor is still neutral at this point and something has to cause an electron from the negative terminal to move to the neutral conductor.
 
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The battery moves electrons from one side of the capacitor to the other...
henry3369 said:
What causes the other conductor to become negatively charged?
... electrons get added to it.

At this point, the positive terminal loses charge because it has an additional electron.
... of the battery? The + terminal loses electrons, they get transferred to the - terminal.

The other conductor is still neutral at this point and something has to cause an electron from the negative terminal to move to the neutral conductor.
The neg terminal is negatively charged, so it repels electrons.
Like charges on a conductor - which is the neg terminal, the wire, and the capacitor plate, all together - try to get as far away from each other as possible.
 
Simon Bridge said:
The battery moves electrons from one side of the capacitor to the other...
... electrons get added to it.

... of the battery? The + terminal loses electrons, they get transferred to the - terminal.

The neg terminal is negatively charged, so it repels electrons.
Like charges on a conductor - which is the neg terminal, the wire, and the capacitor plate, all together - try to get as far away from each other as possible.
Doesn't something prevent the electrons from moving from the positive terminal to the negative terminal? If not, how would the two terminals have opposite charges to begin with?
 
The battery uses a chemical energy store to move charges from the positive side to the negative side.
The exact mechanism varies from battery to battery

Think of the electrons being like water and the battery is a pump moving water from a low reservoir to a high one. What prevents the water from flowing back down?
 
A battery is not a gun that can just shoot electrons. It is important that you understand that for every single electron that comes out of the negative terminal of the battery, an electron must go into the positive terminal at the same time (at least for an ideal battery). If you were to look at a sketch the electric field lines for this circuit, you would see why. The positive end of the battery pulls electrons just as much as the negative end pushes electrons. Remember, there are always electrons at all parts of the circuit, since everything is made of atoms which contain both protons and electrons.

When a battery is connected to a cap, electrons are added to one plate, making that plate negative, and removed from the other plate, making that plate positive. These happen concurrently.
 
OmegaKV said:
When a battery is connected to a cap, electrons are added to one plate, making that plate negative, and removed from the other plate, making that plate positive. These happen concurrently.

yes, and to follow on from that, to the OP, the voltage source doesn't charge a capacitor, it energises a capacitor
The net charge in a capacitor is always zero

Dave
 

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