Charlie Munger: Best & Brightest Should Engineer Airplanes, Cure Cancer

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The discussion revolves around the idea proposed by Charlie Munger that the most talented individuals should focus on engineering and healthcare rather than finance. Participants explore the implications of this perspective on the economy and the allocation of talent in society.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that many talented graduates, particularly from Cal-Tech, are entering finance instead of fields like engineering or medicine, which they view as a misallocation of talent.
  • One participant questions how an economy can function effectively when a significant portion of the workforce is engaged in brokering deals rather than producing goods.
  • Another participant suggests that brokering deals can enable production for the rest of the population, indicating a more complex view of economic roles.
  • A participant argues that having the brightest individuals in finance might be preferable to them causing failures in engineering, citing personal experience in aircraft design.
  • Concerns are raised about the quality control in financial management, with a suggestion that financial managers should face the consequences of their decisions similarly to engineers in the aviation industry.
  • One participant reflects on their own choice not to pursue engineering or healthcare, questioning their place among the "best and brightest."
  • Another participant dismisses the notion that the diversion of talent into finance is a mistake, indicating disagreement with earlier claims.
  • A participant expresses a desire to communicate directly with Charlie Munger, suggesting a personal connection to the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the allocation of talent and the roles of finance versus engineering and healthcare. There is no clear consensus, with some arguing against the diversion of talent into finance while others defend the role of financial professionals.

Contextual Notes

Participants' views reflect differing assumptions about the value of various professions and the impact of financial practices on the economy. The discussion includes personal biases and experiences that shape their perspectives.

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Charlie Munger puts it nicely: The best and the brightest should be engineering airplanes and curing cancer; not into some money-grubbing exercise.

A big percentage of Cal-Tech grads are going into finance. I regard this as a regretfully bad outcome. They'll make a lot of money by clobbering customers who aren't as smart as them. It's a mistake. I look at this in terms of losses from the diversion of our best talent going into some money-grubbing exercise.Paulson (a hedge fund manager) deserves whatever money he can make, but there's something tragic about our best and brightest -- the people who should be engineering airplanes and curing cancer -- choosing instead to trade derivatives and short financial bubbles.

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...o-makes-more-money-showering-than-you-do.aspx
 
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I know very little of economics, but I don't understand how an economy gets by with such a large percentage of people not making things, but just brokering deals - i.e., taking money from this person, giving it to that person...and taking a small slice for his trouble.
 
lisab said:
I know very little of economics, but I don't understand how an economy gets by with such a large percentage of people not making things, but just brokering deals - i.e., taking money from this person, giving it to that person...and taking a small slice for his trouble.

Mostly because those deals ENABLE the rest of the populous to "make things."

(Edit: ...right or wrong...)
 
Actually, having the "brightest" people screwing up the economy might be better option than having them cause air crashes - but I'm biased, having spent too much of my life trying not to design screwed up aircraft engines. Sometimes the "brightest" people are too bright to spend time doing the boring but essential stuff.

Unfortunately the aircraft industry has given up the best quality control system it used to have, which was that the top managers of the design team were required to be passengers on the first test flight. Maybe managers on Wall street should use a similar quality control system, and test their latest economic theories with their own money before they test them with other people's money.
 
AlephZero said:
Maybe managers on Wall street should use a similar quality control system, and test their latest economic theories with their own money before they test them with other people's money.

The money was stolen twice over. First as people's savings/debts to take out the derivative bets, then again as public bailouts to cover the resulting losses.

It all illustrates the difference between clever (short term smarts) and wise (long term smarts). Recent economic policies have preferred to reward the one rather than the other.

Although plenty are now being wise after the event :-p.

[I forgot to say yes I agree - wise behaviour arises where people are plugged into a feedback loop between their locally immediate actions and the global eventual consequences. Take away those constraints, as the US did with a rash wave of financial deregulation, and trouble is what you can expect.]
 
I consider myself to be among the best & brightest, but I chose to do none of those things. where does that put me?
 
elfboy said:
I consider myself to be among the best & brightest, but I chose to do none of those things. where does that put me?

The Dole / Social Security.
 
A big percentage of Cal-Tech grads are going into finance. I regard this as a regretfully bad outcome. They'll make a lot of money by clobbering customers who aren't as smart as them. It's a mistake. I look at this in terms of losses from the diversion of our best talent going into some money-grubbing exercise.

This is nonsense.
 
I need to speak with Charlie.
 

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