Check if a scalar is an eigenvalue of a matrix

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The discussion revolves around determining whether a scalar λ=1 is an eigenvalue of a matrix A, which is specified to be different from the identity matrix I. The participants explore the conditions under which λ can be considered an eigenvalue based on the definition involving a non-zero vector v such that Av=λv.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the equation Av=v and question the validity of concluding that A must equal I based on this equation. There are inquiries into the nature of eigenvalues and the conditions under which non-trivial solutions exist for the equation (A - I)v = 0.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing clarifications about the operations on vector spaces and the nature of linear transformations. Some participants have offered examples of matrices and vectors that satisfy the eigenvalue condition, while others are probing deeper into the conditions for non-trivial solutions.

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There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and properties of eigenvalues, particularly in the context of non-identity matrices. Participants are also considering the implications of matrix invertibility and determinants in relation to the existence of solutions.

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Homework Statement


We have a matrix Anxn (different than the identity matrix I) and a scalar λ=1. We want to check if λ is an eigenvalue of A.

Homework Equations


As we know, in order for λ to be an eigenvalue of A, there has to be a non-zero vector v, such that Avv

The Attempt at a Solution


Avv
Av=1v
Av=v
A=I

But we know that A is different than I, so λ is not an eigenvalue of A.
Is my attempt right?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.
 
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danielpanatha said:

Homework Statement


We have a matrix Anxn (different than the identity matrix I) and a scalar λ=1. We want to check if λ is an eigenvalue of A.

Homework Equations


As we know, in order for λ to be an eigenvalue of A, there has to be a non-zero vector v, such that Avv

The Attempt at a Solution


Avv
Av=1v
Av=v
A=I

But we know that A is different than I, so λ is not an eigenvalue of A.
Is my attempt right?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Your last equation is nonsense. From Av = v you cannot conclude that A = I. All you can conclude is that v must be a solution of the homogeneous linear system (A-I)v = 0.

RGV
 
In particular, the only operations defined on a vector space are addition of vectors and multiplication or division by a scalar. You cannot "divide both sides" by a vector.

(If Av=Bv for all vectors, v, then you can conclude that A= B. But not if Av= Bv for some vector, v.)
 
In other words, you can't divide both sides of the equation by the vector v. Linear operators like \underline A may be written down using matrices and said to operate on vectors through matrix multiplication, but what's really going on is that A is a linear function, which is why trying to factor v from both sides is nonsense.

Eigenvalues satisfy the characteristic equation that \det (\underline A - \lambda \underline I) = 0.

(PS. In particular, a linear operator acting on a vector has a general form \underline A(v) = (v\cdot e_1)a + (v \cdot e_2)b + (v \cdot e_3)c + \ldots{} where a,b,c are vectors. Unless you know something about the structure of the operator, dividing both sides by a vector doesn't give you anything useful.)
 
Thank you all for your replies.
One last question:
If we think of this theoretically, in the equation Av=v, there has to be a matrix A that will be multiplied by v and the result will be the same vector v. I understand that we cannot divide both parts of the equation by v, but could you please give me an example with a non-identity matrix A and a non-zero vector v that satisfy the equation Av=v?
 
Sure. Consider a linear operator on \mathbb R^4.

\underline A(e_1) = e_1 \\<br /> \underline A(e_2) = -e_2 \\<br /> \underline A(e_3) = e_3 \\<br /> \underline A(e_4) = -e_4

Any linear combination of e_1, e_3 is an eigenvector of this operator with eigenvalue 1.
 
Muphrid said:
Sure. Consider a linear operator on \mathbb R^4.

\underline A(e_1) = e_1 \\<br /> \underline A(e_2) = -e_2 \\<br /> \underline A(e_3) = e_3 \\<br /> \underline A(e_4) = -e_4

Any linear combination of e_1, e_3 is an eigenvector of this operator with eigenvalue 1.

Thank you!
 
danielpanatha said:
I understand that we cannot divide both parts of the equation by v, but could you please give me an example with a non-identity matrix A and a non-zero vector v that satisfy the equation Av=v?
$$A = \begin{bmatrix}1 & 1\\ 0 & 1 \end{bmatrix}$$
$$\lambda = 1, v = \begin{bmatrix}1 \\ 0 \end{bmatrix}$$
 
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Mark44 said:
$$A = \begin{bmatrix}1 & 1\\ 0 & 1 \end{bmatrix}$$
$$\lambda = 1, v = \begin{bmatrix}1 \\ 0 \end{bmatrix}$$

Thanks!
 
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If (A - I)v = 0, what condition needs to be satisfied in order for v not to have the trivial solution v = 0?

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
If (A - I)v = 0, what condition needs to be satisfied in order for v not to have the trivial solution v = 0?

Chet
If A - I is invertible, the only solution is v = 0.
If A - I does not have an inverse, then v = 0 is still a solution, but there are also nonzero solutions.

So in both cases, v = 0 is a solution. The only difference is whether that is the unique solution or it is one of an infinite number of solutions.

You can tell whether a square matrix is invertible -- its determinant is nonzero. If an inverse does not exist, the determinant is zero.
 
  • #12
Mark44 said:
If A - I is invertible, the only solution is v = 0.
If A - I does not have an inverse, then v = 0 is still a solution, but there are also nonzero solutions.

So in both cases, v = 0 is a solution. The only difference is whether that is the unique solution or it is one of an infinite number of solutions.

You can tell whether a square matrix is invertible -- its determinant is nonzero. If an inverse does not exist, the determinant is zero.

Thanks Mark. That was the response I was trying to elicit from the OP.

Chet
 
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Yes, but you phrased it poorly- by leaving out a single word! You said, "If (A - I)v = 0, what condition needs to be satisfied in order for v not to have the trivial solution v = 0?"

v= 0 is, as Mark44 said, always a solution. What you meant to say was, "If (A - I)v = 0, what condition needs to be satisfied in order for v not to have only the trivial solution v = 0?"

Notice, by the way, that the "eigenvalue" question is "existence and uniqueness" turned on its head. A solution, the trivial solution, always exists for the equation Av=\lambda v. \lambda is an eigenvalue if and only if that solution is NOT unique.
 

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