CHEM: Calculate the volume of water expected if the yield of ester were 100%.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the expected volume of water produced in a chemical reaction involving n-propanol and propanoic acid, assuming a 100% yield of ester. Participants explore the stoichiometry of the reaction, the correct chemical formulas, and the relationship between moles and volume in the context of a homework problem.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a reaction equation involving n-propanol and propanoic acid, questioning its correctness.
  • Another participant corrects the initial reaction by pointing out the number of carbon atoms in propanoic acid and suggests that the reaction is a simple 1:1:1:1 stoichiometry.
  • Confusion arises regarding the expected products, with a participant asserting that the expected products should be one mole of n-propyl propanoate and one mole of water.
  • Participants discuss the correct chemical formula for propanoic acid and its implications for the reaction equation.
  • Water density is mentioned, with participants recalling it as 1 g/mL and discussing how to use this information to find the volume of water produced.
  • Calculations are presented regarding the mass of water produced based on the number of moles and its molar mass, leading to a proposed volume of 4.50 mL.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct chemical formulas and the stoichiometry of the reaction. There is no consensus on the initial reaction equation, and confusion persists about the expected products and their quantities.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential typos in the lab manual regarding chemical formulas, which may affect the understanding of the reaction. The discussion also highlights unresolved questions about the organization of the lab manual and the clarity of the problem statement.

Who May Find This Useful

Students studying organic chemistry, particularly those working on esterification reactions and stoichiometry calculations, may find this discussion relevant.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the volume of water expected if the yield of ester were 100%.
19.0mL of n-propanol (0.25 Mol)
18.5mL(0.25 Mol) propanoic acid.
5 drops concentrated sulfuric acid


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


C3H7OH + C3H5COOH ---> C6H12O2 + H2O ( not sure this is right)
 
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Reaction is wrong - how many carbons in propanoic acid?

However, this is a very simple case of 1:1:1:1 reaction - how many moles of products do you expect?
 
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there's 4, which now makes me confused because the experiment was suppossed to create n-propyl Propanoate. Whiich i thought was CH3CH2C(O)OC3H7 or C6H12O2?

Also wouldn't you just expect there to be One mole of n-propyl Propanoate and one Mole of H20? How do you find the expected volume of water from that?

So balance equation = 10C3H7OH + 6C3H5COOH = 9C6H12O2 + 4H2O?


** Our lab manual says C3H5COOH is propanoic acid**

So I am assuming that's a typo and should be C3H6O2 Which then made my orignal equation correct

C3H7OH + C3H6O2---> C6H12O2 + H2O
 
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Your manual is wrong, this is a classic mistake.

What is water density?
 
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if i recall density of water is 1g/ml.

So to find Volume you use D=m/v But what is the mass in this case?
Borek said:
Your manual is wrong, this is a classic mistake.

What is water density?
 
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pogge123 said:
if i recall density of water is 1g/ml.

So to find Volume you use D=m/v But what is the mass in this case?

How many moles? Molar mass?
 
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1 mol?? or is it 0.25 Our lab manual is very unorganized.. molar mass is 18.0153 g/mol.
 
If they react 1->1, and you start with 0.25 mole, how many moles of water are produced? How many grams it is?
 
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mass = n x MM
Therefore 0.25 moles X 18.015 molar mass =4.50 g

then Volume = mass/density

Volume= 4.50g/ 1.0g cm^3
Volume= 4.50 mL??
 
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Wasn't that hard :wink:
 
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