Chemistry: Naming compounds. Need someone to double check my work please.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the naming and formula writing of ammonium acetate as part of a homework assignment. Participants explore various acceptable representations of the compound's formula, highlighting the ambiguity in organic salt nomenclature.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the formula NH4C2H3OO for ammonium acetate and seeks verification.
  • Another participant notes that while the atoms are correct, there are multiple valid ways to write the formula, including NH4CH3COO and NH4CH3CO2, and mentions that parentheses may not be necessary if the group is present only once.
  • A later reply suggests that the ambiguity in writing the formula could be argued with the teacher, as there is no universally agreed-upon method for writing acetate formulas, mentioning alternatives like C2H3O2NH4.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the problem, stating that it feels like a meaningless rule rather than a meaningful chemistry lesson, and proposes NH4(CH3CO2) as their preferred representation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are multiple valid representations of ammonium acetate, but there is no consensus on a single correct formula. The discussion reflects differing opinions on the clarity of the assignment's directions and the nature of organic salt nomenclature.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the ambiguity in writing formulas for organic compounds and the potential for different interpretations based on the order of components and the use of parentheses. There is no resolution on which formula is definitively correct.

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Hi. I only have one more submission left in my homework. Can someone please check this problem real quick for me?
DIRECTIONS: Write the formula for each of the following compounds. (Type your answer using the format Al(HSO4)3 for Al(HSO4)3.)
PROBLEM: Ammonium Acetate
MY ANSWER: NH4C2H3OO
 
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This is tricky. You have correct atoms, no doubt about it, but there are many ways this formula can be written. For example NH4CH3COO, NH4CH3CO2. Technically if the group is present once only there is no need for parentheses.

To make things even more complicated organic salts are sometimes written in reversed order - like CH3COONH4, but directions seem to exclude this approach.
 
thank you a lot for your help. unfortunately i got it wrong though.
it is because there are too many ways to rearrange this problem! lol. but thanks anywayss.
 
If your teacher is reasonable you can try to argue that answer is ambiguous - as far as I can tell there is no one, agreed way of writing acetates formulas. Apart from those I listed earlier some people write ammonium acetate as C2H3O2NH4.

Could be you were told to use reversed order when writing formulas of organic salts, in which case directions can be misleading, if treated literally.
 
name_ask17 said:
thank you a lot for your help. unfortunately i got it wrong though.
it is because there are too many ways to rearrange this problem! lol. but thanks anywayss.

I hate these types of problems... you don't really learn any chemistry, just some meaningless rule that nobody uses.


My answer would have been NH4(CH3CO2). As in your example, the anion is in parentheses and the cation is out front.
 

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