Circle Inscribed in a Parabola?

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The problem involves finding the largest circle centered on the positive y-axis that touches the origin and lies above the parabola defined by the equation y=x^2. Participants are exploring the mathematical relationships and constraints involved in this geometric configuration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to graphically estimate the radius of the circle and expresses difficulty in deriving a mathematical solution. They mention a specific radius and provide equations related to circles and parabolas.
  • Some participants question the relationship between the radius and the vertical position of the circle's center, suggesting that the constraint of touching the origin imposes specific conditions on the parameters.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of the osculating circle at the origin, relating curvature to the problem, while also discussing the implications of curvature matching at that point.
  • One participant proposes an unconventional approach using projectile motion equations, noting the mathematical outcome but questioning the physical relevance of the method.

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There is an emphasis on the geometric constraints of the problem, particularly the requirement for the circle to touch the origin and remain above the parabola. Participants are also navigating the implications of changing the parabola's equation in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement



Find the largest circle centered on the positive y-axis which touches the origin and which is above y=x^2

Homework Equations



equation of a circle: r^2=(x-a)^2+(y-b)^2
equation of a circle centered on the y-axis: x^2+(y-b)^2=r^2
equation of a parabola: y=x^2

The Attempt at a Solution



For the life of me, I couldn't figure out how to do this problem. I "eyeballed" the graphs and realized that a circle with a radius of 0.5 perfectly fits the parameters required by the problem statement, but I have no idea how to do this mathematically.

A radius of 0.5 yields the equation:
x^2+(y-0.5)^2=0.5^2
x^2+y^2-y+0.25=0.25
x^2+y^2-y=0

I've tried (rather aimlessly) taking the derivative of this function, yielding:
2x+2yy'-1y'=0

However, I realize that I should use the generic equation for a circle, which gives me:
x^2+(y-b)^2=r^2
x^2+y^2-yb+b^2=r^2

As I'm sure you all can tell, I'm not making much progress as to an actual solution to this problem.
I was hoping that you guys could give me some direction and a hint or two.

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!
 
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DakMasterFlash said:
equation of a circle: r^2=(x-a)^2+(y-b)^2
equation of a circle centered on the y-axis: x^2+(y-b)^2=r^2
So far so good. You are given one additional constraint: the circle must touch the origin. What does that tell you about how ##r## and ##b## are related to each other?

equation of a parabola: y=x^2
OK, can you write down an inequality that describes the region above the parabola?
 
Another way to think about it is that you are looking for the 'osculating circle' to y=x^2 at (0,0). It will have the same curvature as y=x^2 at the origin. y'' must be the same for the two curves there.
 
I have some other kind of approach which uses the concept of projectiles in physics (I know it sounds weird but it works :approve:). Here goes the solution:

Let us assume the parabola to be y= -x^2. I simply did this because trajectory of a projectile is always a concave down parabola and also because changing the equation won't have any effect on the original question. Now let's say the projectile is fired with a velocity of v at an angle Θ from horizontal.
x= v cos \theta t \\<br /> y = v sin \theta t - gt^2 / 2

If you eliminate x and y from the equations, you get the eqn of trajectory which is

y = x tan \theta - \dfrac{g sec^2 \theta}{2 v^2} x^2

But the original trajectory is y = -x^2. Comparing the two equations

tanΘ = 0 and \dfrac{g sec^2 \theta}{2 v^2} = 1

The radius of curvature is given by r= v^2 /g.

Solving the above eqns you can see that r indeed comes out to be 1/2!

But I'd also like to point out that this has no physical significance as Θ can never be zero in a projectile and if it is zero, then it would be wrong to call it a projectile motion. But mathematically I don't see any problem with this approach. Now, it's upto you whether you want to go with this method or not.

Cheers. :smile:
 

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