Circuit, capacitance, resonance

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The discussion revolves around a circuit problem involving resonance, capacitance, and the behavior of an AC source. Participants explore how to determine the required capacitance for resonance, the RMS value of current, and the implications of assuming infinite permeability in the circuit's core material.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the capacitance needed to achieve resonance in the circuit and questions the validity of the assumption of infinite permeability.
  • Another participant suggests modeling the coil and core as a circuit element and emphasizes the importance of understanding the core material's behavior at different frequencies.
  • There is a mention of using the formula for undamped frequency, but the participant expresses uncertainty about the inductance (L) needed for calculations.
  • A participant reiterates the need for additional information to find the inductance and capacitance, indicating a lack of clarity on how to proceed with the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on how to proceed with the problem, as there are multiple uncertainties regarding the inductance and the implications of the infinite permeability assumption.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the inductance value and its calculation from the provided information, which limits their ability to find the capacitance for resonance. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on the assumptions related to the core material.

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Hi all;

So the problem goes as follows:

[FONT=&quot]For the circuit in the figure, what should be the capacitance C to put the circuit into resonance? What is then the RMS value of the current? What is, then, the peak value of the air-gap flux density? [FONT=&quot]Is, then, the assumption about infinite permeability justified?

Here is the image:

img233.imageshack.us/img233/293/electroal2.png

Any hint concerning any part of this problem will be deeply appreciated. Thanks in advance. :smile:
 
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Hint 1: How do you model the (coil + core) as a circuit element?

You haven't shown us your working.

Assuming this is not a homework question...

The assumption of infinite permeability does not have to do with resonance, but it helps you proceed and use the circuit model without worrying about nonlinearities in the core. If you meant to ask whether the assumption is valid UNDER resonance, then you have to know more about the material constituting the core and its behavior at different electrical frequencies.

Hint 2: You already have a capacitance and a resistance. What else do you need in the circuit to achieve resonance? (Extended hint: look at the voltage source...what kind of a source is it?)
 
The source is AC... I was going to make use of the formula [tex]\omega_0=\frac{1}{\sqrt{LC}}[/tex] for the undamped frequency, but then I'm missing [tex]L[/tex]...
 
maverick280857 said:
Hint 1: How do you model the (coil + core) as a circuit element?

You haven't shown us your working.

Assuming this is not a homework question...

The assumption of infinite permeability does not have to do with resonance, but it helps you proceed and use the circuit model without worrying about nonlinearities in the core. If you meant to ask whether the assumption is valid UNDER resonance, then you have to know more about the material constituting the core and its behavior at different electrical frequencies.

Hint 2: You already have a capacitance and a resistance. What else do you need in the circuit to achieve resonance? (Extended hint: look at the voltage source...what kind of a source is it?)

Okay, assuming that [tex]\omega_0=f\cdot2\pi[/tex], it looks like the following equality is true: [tex]100\pi=\frac{1}{\sqrt{LC}}[/tex]. But I don't know how to find [tex]C[/tex] (I would, if I knew how to calculate [tex]L[/tex], but I have no idea how from the given information). I'll be really grateful for any hint, it's due in 3 hours...
 

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