Circuit design: electron reverse-diffusion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of a material that could function like a powered diode, facilitating the movement of electrons from areas of low concentration to high concentration, contrary to conventional diffusion principles. Participants explore theoretical possibilities and practical applications related to static charge transfer between electroscopes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the idea of a material that could act as a pump for electrons, moving them from low to high concentration areas, which challenges established diffusion laws.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the feasibility of such a material, suggesting that it contradicts known physical laws but mentions the possibility of achieving similar results through active circuitry.
  • A participant discusses the need to transfer static charge between electroscopes at the same potential and considers using a step-up transformer, while acknowledging its limitations in this context.
  • Another reply questions the applicability of a step-up transformer for static charge transfer, suggesting that it requires AC currents and is not suitable for direct charge movement.
  • One participant introduces the idea of using additional conductors to encourage charge transfer through induction, noting that this may require mechanical movement and energy input.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of a material that facilitates electron movement from low to high concentration. There are competing views regarding the methods for transferring static charge, with some participants expressing doubts about proposed techniques.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the principles of diffusion and the requirements of certain electrical components, such as transformers, which may not apply to static charge scenarios.

taylaron
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I'm looking for a material that acts like a powered diode. Where the material forces the electrons from from an area of low concentration of electrons to a high concentrated area.

Think of two tanks of water of the same size and water volume (representing two sources of static electricity), this material would act as a pump, forcing some if not all the water from one container into the other (forcing the electrons from one source to the other regardless of potential difference.)

This is against conventional circuit physics; but is there or can a material be made that encourages electrons to go from low to high concentrated environments?

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Taylaron
 
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Hmm, interesting. What do you have in mind for this?

I don't think any known material can do this b/c it's opposed to the laws of diffusion.
But I know of a way to make this happen using active circuitry.
 
In an extremely simplified version of the component is similar to the description I gave above. I need to move some if not all of the static charge accumulated in an electroscope onto another electroscope at (orignally) the same potential using/ wasting as little energy as possible.
To my understanding, using a step-up transformer might work, but they are large, heavy and somewhat more complex that what I'm aiming for.
Thanks,

-Tay
 
taylaron said:
In an extremely simplified version of the component is similar to the description I gave above. I need to move some if not all of the static charge accumulated in an electroscope onto another electroscope at (orignally) the same potential using/ wasting as little energy as possible.
To my understanding, using a step-up transformer might work, but they are large, heavy and somewhat more complex that what I'm aiming for.
Thanks,

-Tay

Cool, sounds like an old timey science project. Since you're dealing with static charge, I don't see how a step-up transformer could be used. They require AC currents and are galvanically isolated so no physical charge could be transferred.

My technique doesn't fit the bill either, it's best suited for electrochemical applications.

Have you thought of using additional conductors charged in such a way to encourage the charge transfer to happen as is needed (usually called "induction")? They might need to be moved mechanically, which requires energy but very little.
 

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