Circuit with a parallel plate capacitor

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The discussion revolves around a parallel plate capacitor with varying parameters, including plate area, separation distance, and dielectric medium. Participants are analyzing the effects of these changes on charge and voltage, particularly after disconnecting the capacitor from a battery.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between charge, voltage, and capacitance, questioning how charge behaves when the capacitor is disconnected from the battery. They discuss the implications of changing plate area and dielectric constant on voltage and charge.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the behavior of charge and voltage in capacitors, while others are questioning the assumptions regarding charge conservation after disconnection from the battery. Multiple interpretations of the voltage calculations are being explored, with no explicit consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

There are ongoing discussions about the initial and final conditions of the capacitor, including the effects of dielectric materials and changes in plate area. Participants are also referencing an answer key that presents different expected outcomes, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement



1.) Consider a parallel plate capacitor with plates of area 1.36 m2 whose plates are 1.24 cm apart. The gap between the plates is filled with air (assume that κair is unity) and the positive plate has a charge of 10.5 nC on it while the negative plate has a negative charge of equal magnitude on it.

The capacitor has its plate-spacing reduced to 1.12 mm, and the plates are connected to a 1.51 V battery. So that the charge on the positive side of the capacitor is now 16.2nC.

The capacitor is disconnected from the battery and the plates are returned to their initial spacing. So that the voltage across the capacitor is now 16.7V.

The space between the plates is now filled with a fluid with a dielectric constant of 5.07.
So that the voltage across the capacitor is now 3.297V.

The area of overlap between the capacitor plates is increased to 2.01 m2.

What is the charge on the positive plate of the capacitor?


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The Attempt at a Solution



V = Q/C
C = AE/d

Q = CV = AEV/d
d = 0.00112m
V = 1.51V
A = 1.36
Q = 16.2nC

V = Q/C = Q/ (AE/d) = Qd/AE
d = 0.0124m
Q = 16.2nC
A = 1.36m2
V = 16.7V

V = V(0)/k
V(0) = 16.7V
k = 5.07
V = 3.297V

Q = CV = AEV/d
A = 2.01m2
V = 3.297V
d = 0.0124m
Q = 4.73nC
BUT Q IS WRONG? WHY IS IT WRONG?
 
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The capacitor is disconnected from the battery and the plates are returned to their initial spacing.

Where does charge come from after the battery is disconnected?
 


i guess there is no new charge so is the charge still 16.2nC?
 


if it is...why is V = Q/C = 11.2V? If C = AE/d = 2.01(8.85*10^-12)/0.0124
According to the answer key it is supposed to be 2.23V using the formula initial VC = final VC.
 


strawberrysk8 said:
i guess there is no new charge so is the charge still 16.2nC?

Yes. That's what it looks like to me.
 


strawberrysk8 said:
if it is...why is V = Q/C = 11.2V? If C = AE/d = 2.01(8.85*10^-12)/0.0124
According to the answer key it is supposed to be 2.23V using the formula initial VC = final VC.

Wasn't the question just how much charge?

The voltage will drop when the area increases if the charge is the same.
 


oh okay. thank you so much!
 

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