Circuit y(t)=|x(t)|, LIT system?

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The discussion centers around whether a circuit that outputs the absolute value of an input signal, represented as y(t)=|x(t)|, qualifies as a Linear Time Invariant (LTI) system. Participants explore the implications of the circuit's non-linear operation and its effects on amplitude and phase distortion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the circuit is not a LIT system because it implements a non-linear operation.
  • Others propose that the circuit could be considered a LIT system that creates phase distortion.
  • Another viewpoint suggests it may be a LIT system that creates amplitude distortion.
  • Some participants contend that it could be a LIT system that creates both amplitude and phase distortion.
  • There is a discussion about the mathematical definitions of linearity and time invariance, with references to specific criteria that must be met for a system to be classified as LTI.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to evaluate the system using specific input values to determine if it meets the linearity criteria.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the circuit is a LIT system, with multiple competing views presented regarding its linearity and the types of distortion it may introduce.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the mathematical definitions of linearity and time invariance, but there are unresolved questions regarding the application of these definitions to the absolute value function. The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of the input signals used for evaluation.

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Homework Statement


Consider a circuit which output is the absolute value of the input signal, this is, y(t)=|x(t)|?

a) this circuit is not a LIT system because it implements a non linear operation;

b) this circuit is a LIT system that creates phase distortion;

c) this circuit is a LIT system that creates amplitude distortion;

d) this circuit is a LIT system that creates amplitude and phase distortion.

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The Attempt at a Solution


My first thought was... it's not linear because it will "convert" only the negative part of the sinusoid but then... isn't this because of the phase? I can't decide between a) and b).

Could someone please give a help?
 
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znaya said:
My first thought was... it's not linear because it will "convert" only the negative part of the sinusoid

To answer a mathematical question, you should think in terms of mathematics. What's the mathematical definition of a linear time independent system (- if that's what "LIT" abbreviates. The more common abbreviation is "LTI".)
 
it means that the system will do the same no matter what time...
 
znaya said:
it means that the system will do the same no matter what time...

That isn't a mathematical description. Look up the mathematical definition of an LTI system. What mathematical laws must it follow?
 
I think you mean LTI: Linear Time invariant.
for a system to be LTI it has to meet to criteria.
1. it has to be linear
(S is a system operator)

S [ x1(t) + x2(t)] = S [x1(t)] + S [x2(t)]

and

S [ a x1(t) ] = a S [x1(t) ]

2. it has to be time invariant
y(t - T) = S [x(t - T)]
for any T or t

so znaya, does your function meet the first criteria?
use two inputs, say -2 and 2
 
Stephen Tashi said:
That isn't a mathematical description. Look up the mathematical definition of an LTI system. What mathematical laws must it follow?

http://www.icoachmath.com/math_dictionary/Linear_Function.html

Definition of Linear Function
A function that can be graphically represented in the Cartesian coordinate plane by a straight line is called a Linear Function.
 
donpacino said:
I think you mean LTI: Linear Time invariant.
for a system to be LTI it has to meet to criteria.
1. it has to be linear
(S is a system operator)

S [ x1(t) + x2(t)] = S [x1(t)] + S [x2(t)]

and

S [ a x1(t) ] = a S [x1(t) ]

2. it has to be time invariant
y(t - T) = S [x(t - T)]
for any T or t

so znaya, does your function meet the first criteria?
use two inputs, say -2 and 2

for x=-2, y=2
for x=2, y=2
for x=(2+(-2)) y=0

i see...

so it seems my first thought was right...
 
Stephen Tashi, donpacino, thank you so much for your help.
 

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